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Travis The Dragon said:

Growing Concern Over U.S. Stability Of Leadership

We are growing concerned over the current situation developing in the United States. The U.S. President is mentally under siege. This has been going on for the last four years. This is not unusual in U.S. politics, but has been noticeably more extreme this Presidential term. We will not get...
community.defconwarningsystem.com
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"The President's whereabouts are presently unknown and he is presumed missing
The Vice President, Secretary of State, and principals of the military are assembling
Our nation stands at DEFCON 3
The greatest crisis, will someone come for me?
I "red, white and blew it"
Unleashed revenge, my body is detained
How could anybody do this?
Betrayal, I peel away the days
Medals are useless, Uncle Sam's forgotten me
I'm not important, no one will ever come
I'll never be found, God get me out of this hell"

MEGATRUMP :P
 
To summarize:

Donald Trump banned. TeamTrump campaign twitter banned when they turned it over to him. @POTUS will have any new tweets deleted. Parler and Gab are down, Parler has been removed from Google Play and they will probably be junked by the Apple Store. Reddit has nuked major Donald Trump subreddits, Discord has blown up major Donald Trump Discord networks. 4chan's Cloudflare coverage has been pulled, and Youtube is taking down channels related to Steve Bannon.
 
So impeachment is definitely happening, probably as soon as Monday, but realistically there isn’t going to be enough time to convict him before the 19th, A McConnell memo on impeachment is on WaPo that essentially tells us it’s a non-issue because Trump might be out of office by then.

Still, I find the calculus to be pretty interesting. For one thing, if they do the messaging right, it’s going to be force every House republican to go on record condemning or condoning what happened. It’s also a double edged sword. Either you vote to impeach Trump and risk a primary in 2022, or you vote to keep Trump and give Democrats the opportunity to make attack ads about how you condoned an attempted coup against the US capitol. The house could be an easy win for the GOP in 22, but Trump just turned it into a bit more of an uphill battle (it remains to be seen how much of a lasting effect this has, but I really doubt it is forgotten anytime soon).

The other side is that perhaps impeachment is being used as a bargaining chip to get Trump to resign so that those Republicans won’t have to make a tough vote on impeachment. The question is whether Trump goes along with it and, honestly, I don’t think it’s that far fetched. He just got locked out of Twitter and is now stuck in a White House with a cabinet that is reportedly avoiding him/ignoring him. Let him quietly resign and go back to Florida before the criminal charges roll in.
 
Mosh said:
The other side is that perhaps impeachment is being used as a bargaining chip to get Trump to resign so that those Republicans won’t have to make a tough vote on impeachment. The question is whether Trump goes along with it and, honestly, I don’t think it’s that far fetched. He just got locked out of Twitter and is now stuck in a White House with a cabinet that is reportedly avoiding him/ignoring him. Let him quietly resign and go back to Florida before the criminal charges roll in.
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I mean... that’d be awesome, but I highly doubt Trump would go along with it. I saw (was it in this thread?) that he was reportedly cursing himself over his “denouncement” of the coup and I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts being even more reckless in the coming days, particularly January 17th, where his supporters are rumored to strike again. But you never know, we’ll just have to wait and see.
 
Mosh said:
A McConnell memo on impeachment is on WaPo that essentially tells us it’s a non-issue because Trump might be out of office by then.
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I saw a tweet from Bernie Sanders making the point you have to impeach him anyway as a precedent so the next clown who tries to obstruct the transfer of power knows what will happen.

An orderly transfer of power is probably the most fundamental principle of democracy, and as far as I'm concerned a mostly symbolic impeachment, while necessary, will not go far enough in punishing Trump.
 
Will Trump be the first one to get impeached in between the elections and the next president getting inaugurated? Will Pence's reign be the shortest one ever?
 
srfc said:
An orderly transfer of power is probably the most fundamental principle of democracy, and as far as I'm concerned a mostly symbolic impeachment, while necessary, will not go far enough in punishing Trump.
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I don't think that would be the end of his punishment. What are the chances of him getting criminal charges after he's out of offices and which charges in particular are likely?
 
I had a "eureka" moment concerning Trump's supporters the other day. He keeps referring to evidence/proof/facts of the election having been fraudulently "stolen" from him, never presenting said evidence/proof/facts but talking as though he had or it was obvious & in plain view. The switched-on people immediately see the flaw in this and go "make your proof or shut up". The rest (ie the ones who are dim enough to still think he's a good idea) think that somewhere along the line he must have presented said proof or he wouldn't be talking like that. But they don't want to admit that they weren't bright enough to spot it, so they just go along with whatever he says (an implausible conspiracy involving everyone except themselves, whatever) in the belief that it somehow makes them appear switched-on and politically astute. Emperor's New Clothes Syndrome :(
 
Perun said:
I don't think that would be the end of his punishment. What are the chances of him getting criminal charges after he's out of offices and which charges in particular are likely?
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I read a while back there are at least 7 lawsuits waiting for him as soon as he leaves office, and those are just the civil ones.
 
Black Abyss Babe said:
I had a "eureka" moment concerning Trump's supporters the other day. He keeps referring to evidence/proof/facts of the election having been fraudulently "stolen" from him, never presenting said evidence/proof/facts but talking as though he had or it was obvious & in plain view. The switched-on people immediately see the flaw in this and go "make your proof or shut up". The rest (ie the ones who are dim enough to still think he's a good idea) think that somewhere along the line he must have presented said proof or he wouldn't be talking like that. But they don't want to admit that they weren't bright enough to spot it, so they just go along with whatever he says (an implausible conspiracy involving everyone except themselves, whatever) in the belief that it somehow makes them appear switched-on and politically astute. Emperor's New Clothes Syndrome :(
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As @Forostar said I think it's pretty obvious that was his M.O. for the last 4 years. The only difference is that post elections it became harder to camouflage his BS.
 
karljant said:
As @Forostar said I think it's pretty obvious that was his M.O. for the last 4 years. The only difference is that post elections it became harder to camouflage his BS.
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As far as Trump himself is concerned yes, definitely. It was the reasons why anyone at all would fall for said BS that I was trying to get my head around :confused:

btw, thanks for this:
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I "red, white and blew it"
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:lol:
 
Night Prowler said:
Will Trump be the first one to get impeached in between the elections and the next president getting inaugurated? Will Pence's reign be the shortest one ever?
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Yes, all three previous presidential impeachments (A. Johnson, Clinton, Trump 1) were in the middle of terms. If Pence becomes president over the coming few days, he would have the shortest term, beating out William Henry Harrison's 31 day blip in 1841.

srfc said:
An orderly transfer of power is probably the most fundamental principle of democracy, and as far as I'm concerned a mostly symbolic impeachment, while necessary, will not go far enough in punishing Trump.
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The big piece about a successful impeachment is that they can ban Trump from holding federal office, which means he would not be eligible to run again in 2024.

Edit: reminds me that the Presidents Project is still on my to-do list, but it will not happen until after the end of the GMAC.
 
LooseCannon said:
The big piece about a successful impeachment is that they can ban Trump from holding federal office, which means he would not be eligible to run again in 2024.
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And THIS is the main goal of the impeachment (IMO): the Republican party trying to eradicate Trumpism from its ranks.
 
As for banning Trump from running; if I’m not mistaken they only need a simple majority in the senate to make that happen.
Perun said:
I don't think that would be the end of his punishment. What are the chances of him getting criminal charges after he's out of offices and which charges in particular are likely?
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The big question mark imo is federal level crimes. Prior to Dems winning the senate and the riots, it was looking like a Biden justice department would cooperate with state investigations of Trump but probably wouldn’t pursue anything by itself. Any AG nom was also going to get grilled on whether they would pursue legal action against Trump. Now the pressure is probably the other way around and Biden’s AG is going to be pushed to go after Trump for the riots (as he should). I reckon the charges will be inciting an insurrection, which is what the articles of impeachment are going to be for. No idea on the chances really, but it should be one of the first things that happens when Biden is in office.

State level crimes are much more likely imo. Trump can’t be pardoned for those and some of the state justice departments are going to be much more aggressive (while also not having to worry so much about political capital like Biden does). Trump is definitely going to be charged for crimes against the ‘state’ of DC during the riot. It’s also very likely he’s charged for financial crimes in New York and election interference in Georgia.

I thought a lot of this stuff was probably a liberal pipe dream previously, but I think now it is going to be harder to let Trump walk away free.
 
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