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Travis The Dragon said:
Ah yes, I see now.

Speaking of abortion, I don't think there should be any laws against or for it. No laws on it PERIOD. It should be completely up to the woman whether or not she wants to get one. Also, I don't really like the argument that a woman has a right to do with her own body as she wants. Everyone has a right to do what they want to their own body. Instead, talk about that a woman must be in a really tough situation and that it has to be a very difficult decision. And the only situations we ever hear about are rape, which I believe plan B can help with, or if the birth will kill the mother. What if a woman is in love with a man and they plan to have a child together and after she gets pregnant, but then the man leaves her and there's no way she'll be able to have the baby and raise it on her own?
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Agreed.

There was also a study that showed crime declined in the US after Roe v Wade (supreme court case that effectively legalized abortion here). The causality of abortion and lower crime rates is a hotly debated topic, but I think there’s a correlation.

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Abortion and Crime, Revisited

Economists Steve Levitt and John Donohue discuss their updated research on the link between abortion and crime
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Travis The Dragon said:
and there's no way she'll be able to have the baby and raise it on her own?
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Sorry to sound oldfashioned, conservative but.... the following is a personal opinion and does not come out of religion.

For me it depends on how quickly and thoroughly (and in which conditions) that is decided. It's hard to make a law on that but I find it quite saddening and regretful to end life quickly.

If a woman plans to have a child (with a man who leaves her) she still had an original wish to have a child. It is not impossible to have another relation, nor is it always impossible to raise a child on your own. Naturally, finance is important. And support. People who are in such a situation can judge best for themselves how that situation is, and prospect (how unchangeable is a future in the Western world?). If they do and can judge it.
If things are seen too bleakly, or are decided in a state of depression or panic, they sure can regret it later. By the way: unplanned childs can also cause great joy and happiness. Accidents of births, and men who walked away are not rare. Imagine that everyone who was an accident would be deleted, we'd miss quite some friends or even family.
 
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Guess he deleted them, then.

Edit: nope.
Edit 2: NyTimes is catching up on this.

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Forostar said:
If things are seen too bleakly, or are decided in a state of depression or panic, they sure can regret it later. By the way: unplanned childs can also cause great joy and happiness. Accidents of births, and men who walked away are not rare. Imagine that everyone who was an accident would be deleted, we'd miss quite some friends or even family.
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I mean, this is a little bit of a strawman. I'm an accident, and my parents chose to keep me. And that's good and all, but I'm glad they had the option to plan their family the way they want. Not every accident is deleted nor would be. Abortion remains incredibly rare compared to the number of live births.

As I've said before, when it comes to US Politics, I firmly believe most conservative actors are disingenuous because they oppose all the methods that actually reduce abortions (IE, birth control, sex education, etc). I'll believe the first one I see handing out condoms.

Laws banning abortion don't stop abortion. Like other forms of prohibition, they merely push it into the shadows, and illegal abortions kill women by the thousands.
 
Does anyone else think Trump might be actually unhinged now? I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that he wouldn't be fit to govern, even if he had won.
 
Forostar said:
Is dat a rapid conclusion?
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It depends on what you consider to be the starting point. I never thought he was particularly good at governing (to put it politely), but I tried all other possible conclusions before it occured to me that he might actually have snapped ... :confused:
 
Forostar said:
Sorry to sound oldfashioned, conservative but.... the following is a personal opinion and does not come out of religion.

For me it depends on how quickly and thoroughly (and in which conditions) that is decided. It's hard to make a law on that but I find it quite saddening and regretful to end life quickly.

If a woman plans to have a child (with a man who leaves her) she still had an original wish to have a child. It is not impossible to have another relation, nor is it always impossible to raise a child on your own. Naturally, finance is important. And support. People who are in such a situation can judge best for themselves how that situation is, and prospect (how unchangeable is a future in the Western world?). If they do and can judge it.
If things are seen too bleakly, or are decided in a state of depression or panic, they sure can regret it later. By the way: unplanned childs can also cause great joy and happiness. Accidents of births, and men who walked away are not rare. Imagine that everyone who was an accident would be deleted, we'd miss quite some friends or even family.
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Yes, it definitely depends on the situation and everything that's going on.
 
Record anyone at their worst moment and they look terrible.

That said, Biden’s had way too many occasions where he’s seemed slow or confused. Whether he was on some medication causing that side effect, or if he’s just old and slowing down and has to pump himself full of ritalin or adderall before important public appearances in order to seem sharp, who knows. There’s certainly smoke there. But I‘ll take a dotard with a competent backup over an amoral criminal narcissist any day of the week.
 
Travis The Dragon said:
That's interesting because the right wing media has been showing stuff with Biden having trouble with his words and thinks the same thing.
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Just to clarify my original post, my comment was not based on me despising what Trump represent and his politics, but on years of research work into dementia and different clinical collaborators with expertise in the topic commenting that early dementia was a very strong possibility in Trump’s case.
 
The armchair diagnoses of Trump and Biden (and Hillary in 2016) are ridiculous. I also have to question the credibility of doctors who go on TV and try to diagnose someone who they haven’t actually given a medical evaluation. These people are all old and susceptible to mental decline, but we don’t have the evidence to make a call one way or the other. There’s enough to criticize Trump for without going there anyway.

And yes, Biden has a stutter which is probably less controllable as he gets older. The claims of him being confused or senile seem super exaggerated.

I do think it’s valid to talk about the age of presidents though and I’m not sure electing someone who is going to be in his 80s by the time his term is up is the best idea (same goes for judges). Considering both the 2020 dem field and the 2016 Republican field were both filled with plenty of talented younger individuals, that we still ended up with the oldest folks ever to hold the office is a problem that I’m not sure how to explain. I don’t think people should be excluded from the job based on age necessarily, but health and cognitive declines are real.

Btw who predicted Trump trying to pull out of Afghanistan?
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Republicans livid over Trump’s plan to reduce troops in Afghanistan

McConnell says Trump’s move will “delight” U.S. enemies.
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