Troodon'sTooth
Is Futureal Real?
Because the punk community hates the government.
USA Politics
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Black Wizard
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This government in particular or all governments in general?
Troodon'sTooth
Is Futureal Real?
I'm ok with the government existing, as long as it doesn't infringe on personal property rights. I do admit my earlier post was confusing.
Jer
'Til Tomorrow
Ah, so a classic libertarian. I didn't know they were so into punk...!
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Like owning Plutonium isotopes?
Black Wizard
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So you're socially Conservative and possibly anti-Socialist yet identify as part of the so-called Punk community. It seems odd to me, but then again John Lydon is a facist now.
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
Nothing he said suggests this is the case. Economically conservative, sure, but socially?
He sounds libertarian to me, which isn't that far removed, in principle, from anarchism, which has always been a central theme in the punk movement. There are socialist punk movements as well, but they're not the entire punk movement.
Black Wizard
Pleb Hunter
Politics is not my forte.
I know that Punks are supposed to be anarchists but I have no idea what libertarianism is.
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
Libertarianism advocates small government and respect of individual freedoms. Economic model is variable and creates sub-movements within libertarianism. Left-libertarians support a producer-driven economy without state interference or "middle men" such as banks. Right-libertarians support a free-market economy. They have the "no government interference on economy" principle in common.
Anarchism is more of a philosophy than it is a political ideology. It opposes authority and rules imposed by a high power. In that sense it becomes anti-government by its nature. So they have that in common with libertarians. As such, it's possible for a libertarian to be an anarchist, which would fall in line with the punk movement. At least in some sense.
I know some Anarchists who would strongly disagree with you on that. Then you'd point out that the absence of authority is essentially the absence of politics, especially if you consider Anarchists by their own definition (though not necessarily in practice) are the exact opposite of the Aristotelian zōon politikon and for the absence of politics it cannot be a political idea, and then they'd say, "woah, dude..." Judging by my very own personal experience, of course.
You'll often see this brought forth in support of the so-called "Austrian School" of economic thought. I consider myself to be fairly liberal on social freedoms, but I'm certainly a democratic socialist on economics. The free market does not impress me.
I agree with the social safety net. Especially for situations where the company has behaved immorally. Classical Liberalism assumes that companies always act in their own best interest, when in reality they are constructs of humanity; corruption exists, and without something to check corruption, things can get bad.
There's a series of economic papers on the classic liberalism of the Eve Online economic system, and how massive financial structures are occasionally destroyed or absconded with by corrupt actors. It's glorious, and a reminder that an unchecked free market economy doesn't create perfect businesses but would herald instead a return to a robber baron-run oligarchy.
There's a series of economic papers on the classic liberalism of the Eve Online economic system, and how massive financial structures are occasionally destroyed or absconded with by corrupt actors. It's glorious, and a reminder that an unchecked free market economy doesn't create perfect businesses but would herald instead a return to a robber baron-run oligarchy.
And that people always behave in economically explicable ways.
Specifically, the lie that money is the ultimate motivating factor for all people.
Although - to be fair - Communism has a very similar opinion of the human being. Both view the value of a person as stemming from their economic productivity. They just differ in what they think the right incentive for maximising productivity is.
"The Myth of the Almighty Dollar - How the 20th Century's dominant economic systems failed due to their assumption that economics is the true driving force in humanity" by @LooseCannon and @Perun (or by @Perun and @LooseCannon if we use our real names).
Let's just go watch every episode of Star Trek.
Black Wizard
Pleb Hunter
Fixed.
