Forostar
Ancient Mariner
And now you again Trump voters, "tolerantists" and downplayers.
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wait, you got married and didn't even send me an invite? You son of a bitch!
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
Some jobs offered and I assume accepted.
Senator Sessions for Attorney General .. disagree with him pretty strongly on drugs and civil forfeiture, though he certainly has the resume for the job, Trump ran on Law and Order, he fits that bill.
Former Lt. General Flynn for NSA ... not a big fan of the scope of this agency, but hard to argue with him.
Rep. Pompeo for CIA Director .. .overall good pick, my favorite of the 3
Senator Sessions for Attorney General .. disagree with him pretty strongly on drugs and civil forfeiture, though he certainly has the resume for the job, Trump ran on Law and Order, he fits that bill.
Former Lt. General Flynn for NSA ... not a big fan of the scope of this agency, but hard to argue with him.
Rep. Pompeo for CIA Director .. .overall good pick, my favorite of the 3
Flynn is a nutjob, he routinely makes up crap about terrorism. Not sure this is going to work out.
Pompeo seems like a solid choice, tbh.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
The Democrats can always fila --- ooops they cannot, they changed that rule 3 years ago. I am no fan of Sessions ... but he will most likely make it through. I can see Rand Paul being the only GOP vote against him, a few Dems on the hot seat might vote for him (Manchin comes to mind for sure). But they really have no way to stop these nominees ... of course Flynn does not need Senate approval
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
Right drug war, because there are no drug problems in the U.S, just because the drug dealers are called "doctors."
The media makes a bigger deal of it than it really is. Sure there are certain areas to stay away from like Ciudad Juarez's border area, but no different than Chicago's south side or East L.A or the shitty parts of New York.
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
If I have to be selfish and look at it from a Turkish perspective, solid picks. Flynn said Fethullah Gülen should be extradited to Turkey, and Pompeo has the right idea on Erdoğan. (Called him an Islamofascist dictator)
Doesn't look great in social issues department but that was always going to be the case.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...y-displays-detailed-1479764896-htmlstory.html
I think that extreme vigilance when it comes to refugees is reasonable; if I were ISIS I'd definitely plant some of their own into every refugee group. Questioning probably won't have much use; anyone smart would just answer the questions with what the authorities want to hear. Reducing the number of refugees to 0 is unreasonable. Deporting illegal immigrants with criminal records is also reasonable IMO.
I think that extreme vigilance when it comes to refugees is reasonable; if I were ISIS I'd definitely plant some of their own into every refugee group. Questioning probably won't have much use; anyone smart would just answer the questions with what the authorities want to hear. Reducing the number of refugees to 0 is unreasonable. Deporting illegal immigrants with criminal records is also reasonable IMO.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
I liked what Johnson was saying about immigration in general .. the basic point was let the market decide .. if there are jobs here, people will come here. So set up an easy system for people to get work visas with a background check and an SSN to pay taxes against. Deport those who commit crimes. I would add to that, make the border secure and if there is a system in place to make it easy to get in for legitimate reasons, anyone jumping a fence can be assumed to be doing something illegal and deal with them harshly. I think the Dems focus too much on citizenship, I think that system is generally okay, the issue is people coming for work, doing work, and having no status. Same deal works with refugees and with skilled workers, like H1B visas. Government quotas per country/skill is the real issue, because they make getting a work visa nearly impossible for most.
What a lot of Trump supporters don't realize is that this is already happening. More deportations have taken place under Obama but right wing outlets obviously aren't going to cover that. I expect Trump's deportation numbers will be pretty much the same + some small fencing so they can say they built a wall. We also have more people leaving than coming in, so we actually need to find a way to get more (legal) immigration happening. I agree with bearfan that Gary Johnson had the best plan for immigration, the problem is fixing the process so that more people can get here legally.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
That is true .. about 3 million were deported under Obama ... of course the left wing ignores that when they rail against Trump saying he wants to deport about the same number. Neither party has good ideas on this ... one wants citizens .. one wants deportations ... the fact is work visas is the way to go to fill in gaps in low skill workers and for highly skilled workers that the US needs
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
I thought Trump wanted to deport about 11 million... that's nowhere near the same as 3M. But I agree. My mother came in with an H1B worker visa which is renewable every 3 years as long as you remain employed. Her employer, the school district, actually aided in the process. Then we got our permanent residency and 13 years later our citizenship.
I actually don't like how illegals get a lot of sympathy when there are plenty of ways to enter legally. The US actually has fairly lax migrant laws compared to other first world countries.
As for being vigilant about refugees.... considering all major shootings in the last 4 years or so have been by U.S citizens (born and raised, not nationalized) I see it as illogical fear of the other... nothing to do with being "vigilant" or "cautious."
I actually don't like how illegals get a lot of sympathy when there are plenty of ways to enter legally. The US actually has fairly lax migrant laws compared to other first world countries.
As for being vigilant about refugees.... considering all major shootings in the last 4 years or so have been by U.S citizens (born and raised, not nationalized) I see it as illogical fear of the other... nothing to do with being "vigilant" or "cautious."
You are right, but I am predicting that he doesn't actually deport 11 million. I just don't see that being a realistic number and I don't know if it's something Republicans actually have an interest in it (at least on a national level). It's just a popular topic to campaign on. In four years I'm sure Trump can just say "we deported 3 million rapists/murderers/etc to help Make America Great Again" and that would be enough to pump up his base.
Edit:
Can you expand on this? I would be interested in a first hand account of the legal process.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
Good pick, I like Nikki in general and she is term limited out with really no other office to run for.
President-elect Donald Trump on Wednesday announced that he will nominate South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley to be his ambassador to the United Nations.
Haley, 44, a rising star in the Republican Party and a daughter of Indian immigrants, has led South Carolina since 2011. She is Trump’s first female appointee to a Cabinet-level post, and she would be taking on a position that requires intense diplomatic and navigational skills in an often-frustrating international bureaucracy.
President-elect Donald Trump on Wednesday announced that he will nominate South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley to be his ambassador to the United Nations.
Haley, 44, a rising star in the Republican Party and a daughter of Indian immigrants, has led South Carolina since 2011. She is Trump’s first female appointee to a Cabinet-level post, and she would be taking on a position that requires intense diplomatic and navigational skills in an often-frustrating international bureaucracy.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
I was going from his 60 minutes interview where he said 2 to 3 million and then "we'll see" 11 million is impossible to do even if he wanted to.
That depends on how scrupulous he decides to be, doesn't it?
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
I guess .. I really do not want to see 11 million people deported .. but I imagine if he tries there will be many many court cases. Again an optimal goal for illegals in the US is to give them some non citizen work status if they are here working and deport the rest. Which I imagine will get to pretty close to 8 million stay, 3 goes ... I know that is not Trumps' plan, but it would be the best route.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
I like this pick quite a bit ...
President-elect Donald Trump announced on Wednesday that he plans to nominate school-choice activist, philanthropist and Republican mega-donor Betsy DeVos to lead the Education Department.
DeVos, 58, chairs the American Federation for Children, an advocacy group that has aggressively pushed to expand charter schools and school voucher programs that provide families with public money to spend on private school tuition.
President-elect Donald Trump announced on Wednesday that he plans to nominate school-choice activist, philanthropist and Republican mega-donor Betsy DeVos to lead the Education Department.
DeVos, 58, chairs the American Federation for Children, an advocacy group that has aggressively pushed to expand charter schools and school voucher programs that provide families with public money to spend on private school tuition.
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
I'll be honest, I don't recall much of the details, but I'll try.
My mother applied for jobs, her eventual employer was required to leave the job posting up for 3 weeks or so to give citizens a chance to apply. By law, at least in Arizona, the employer can't hire a foreigner if the position can and is filled by a citizen. After the ad goes unanswered then they can hire her. Nobody applied so she was hired.
Now, all of this process can be done by the individual, but the legal red tape and what not is not the easiest to navigate, so it's recommended to get an immigration lawyer. For example, the citizenship paperwork is about $600 dollars, not the biggest expense on the planet, but with an attorney the process can go faster. So my mother made the expense which was about $6000 from H1B to Permanent Residency to Citizenship.
What I remember the most is the treatment received at the border and airport PRIOR to being a citizen. I've crossed as a tourist, resident and citizen. As a tourist and resident they give you A LOT of crap. Ask you many questions, many which boder on insulting, not to mention the humiliating searches of person and vehicle. I remember once being at the airport and for NO REASON being placed in a room with other brown people. No joke, Indians, Middle Eastern, other Latin Americans, etc (But racial profiling doesn't happen... pfft), while they "checked" my paperwork... mhmm.
When applying for Permanent Residency we had to fill out a questionnaire that asked, "From 1933 to 1945 were you a member of the Nazi Party?" "Are you or were you at any time a member of the Communist Party?" "Are you or were you ever a Prostitute?" Um... REALLY? Citizenship was less ridiculous. Basic test with an immigration officer. I had to study (more like refresh) American History. I was asked who the current president was, the three branches of government and what they do, my written portion of the test was to write "I can write English," my reading portion was to read the sentence, "I can read English," some other BASIC (for me anyway) questions and the end.
The reason I have no sympathy for illegal immigrants is that I was looked down on and with suspicion and disrespect as a tourist and a resident. People crying over how much they suffer crossing the desert and how they're exploited by the coyotes who charge them between 10 to 20 THOUSAND dollars when again, the LEGAL process was what... $6000?
You have to answer these questions when just traveling to the US as a tourist as well, from any place in the world.