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Yea that was the other big thing. Not that it's a surprise, but I am worried about the violence that will come November 9th.
 
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This might be a surprise to some of you, but among the Turkish public that follows the election, Trump overwhelmingly has more support than Hillary does.

Not that it matters, of course. Just an interesting observation considering Trump's behaviour towards Muslims.
 
Yes but Al Gore didn't scream about rigged elections or call for second amendment advocates to use their rights. This guy has been working up his fanbase for over a year.
 
Somewhereonline said:
Eh, I don't think there we be much backlash after the election. Even the 2000 election was resolved without riots, etc. I can envision a few isolated cases of Trump supporters being arrested for doing stupid crap like vandalism or assault but no wide scale rioting or coordinated actions.
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Well we had a GOP office vandalized and firebombed in North Carolina and a few others vandalized ... luckily no one hurt. Not just the Trump supporterso to worry about.

But yeah, outside of isolated morons, I would not expect anything
 
The Flash said:
This might be a surprise to some of you, but among the Turkish public that follows the election, Trump overwhelmingly has more support than Hillary does.

Not that it matters, of course. Just an interesting observation considering Trump's behaviour towards Muslims.
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Turks, present company excluded, seem to like strongmen right now. This doesn't surprise me at all. Certainly Erdogan has more in common with Trump than with any other western leader.

bearfan said:
Well we had a GOP office vandalized and firebombed in North Carolina and a few others vandalized ... luckily no one hurt. Not just the Trump supporterso to worry about.

But yeah, outside of isolated morons, I would not expect anything
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Yeah I saw that about the GOP office. That was wrong and I hope they find those people and put them away for a good long time.

As for violence...I think it depends on whether or not Trump calls for it.
 
I fell asleep 2/3 through, but don't think I missed too much; it was basically a regurgitation of what they already said in the first 2 debates.
 
LooseCannon said:
Turks, present company excluded, seem to like strongmen right now. This doesn't surprise me at all. Certainly Erdogan has more in common with Trump than with any other western leader.
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That's not really the reason though. They prefer Trump because of Hillary's history in the Middle East.
 
So, does Trump say this about "rigged" this and "not respecting the result" that because he is sure he will lose, or because he thinks it will increase his chance of winning? Or is he really a narcissistic moron who can't imagine that he won't win a fair election?
 
The Flash said:
This might be a surprise to some of you, but among the Turkish public that follows the election, Trump overwhelmingly has more support than Hillary does.
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Not at all. I'm afraid that the majority of the Turks like people with a big mouth, slagging off media and minorities. They revel in "them and us"-politics Trump and Erdogan stand for.
 
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Forostar said:
Not at all. I'm afraid that the majority of the Turks like people with a big mouth, slagging off media and minorities. They revel in "them and us"-politics Trump and Erdogan stand for.
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Again, that's not the reason why. They prefer Trump because they hate Hillary. Trump isn't a hugely popular person himself, due to his remarks about Muslims, so that assessment is well off.

To make it clear, if the Democratic nominee was Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, they'd receive all the support here.
 
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Still: they don't mind or even believe all the Trump lies (like the ones about Hillary!), like the ones from their own leader. I believe this happens for the reasons I posted in my previous post. They buy hate, spread by angry populists. They love it. Gives them self esteem to be bigger and better than others. The content (e.g. Kurd hate by Erdogan or Muslim hate by Trump) is not important anymore. It all comes down to the point that the majority of the Turks can't think critically anymore. They can't judge anymore. Brainwashed by all state the propaganda.
 
@Forostar - don't you think Flash, who hears the discussions daily, has a clue about why Turks seem to prefer one particular candidate? Remember you're talking to a guy who is critical of Erdogan and of the majority who support him. I can understand why Clinton, who is generally seen as a hawk in foreing politics, is strongly disliked in the Middle East.

On a more general note: I think many of those outside of the US who genuinely sympathise with Trump - not just because they resent Clinton - do it because they think he "says it like it is", however false that is (after all, he is full of shit). He has a direct style, unlike many career politicians. It wins him friends and enemies, but few neutrals. He doesn't just not care about it when he steps on people's toes, he does so on purpose. Basically, he's one hell of a WUM.
 
I'm just throwing in my own observations.

In your second part you made a good description of why people like Erdogan if you ask me.
 
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Forostar said:
Still: they don't mind or even believe all the Trump lies (like the ones about Hillary!), like the ones from their own leader. I believe this happens for the reasons I posted in my previous post. They buy hate, spread by angry populists. They love it. Gives them self esteem to be bigger and better than others. The content (e.g. Kurd hate by Erdogan or Muslim hate by Trump) is not important anymore. It all comes down to the point that the majority of the Turks can't think critically anymore. They can't judge anymore. Brainwashed by all state the propaganda.
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You're reaching hard, here. Sorry.

Like I said, they don't like Trump either. They just prefer him over Hillary because of her history in the Middle East. Your assumptions are completely unrelated.
 
Also, the "content doesn't matter" argument has no connection with reality, considering Vladimir Putin is a disliked figure in Turkey.
 
Forostar said:
In your second part tou made a good description of why people like Erdogan if you ask me.
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I'd say it shows why people like populist leaders/candidates in general, especially people from fringe/new parties. It's rather common these days to think the political establishment is full of liars, unfortunately many think that outsiders like Trump, Wilders, Farage etc. are better in that respect, when in reality, they're worse.
 
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I've never been under the impressions that Turks and Russians are friendly.
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Which goes to show you content does matter and people aren't just magically attracted to big-mouthed politicians who belittle others. Erdoğan's manner of speaking is just an icing-on-the-cake for the religious conservative voter base who symphatize with him, not the reason they like him in the first place.

I brought the Turkish perspective into conversation because I think it gives you an interesting take on the whole "outsider vs. establishment" debate. Turks are so sick of American establishment intervening in their country (and region) that they'd welcome even someone like Trump, who repeatedly insults Muslims.

Even the secular, social democratic voter base in Turkey is impartial to the candidates. They hate Trump because he's a racist moron, but the way he targets Saudi Arabia in his speeches, blames them for funding Islamic terrorism and points to the donations Hillary takes from Saudis are interesting points compared to what Hillary represents in the Middle East. (Though Trump does business in Saudi Arabia, so you have to take it with a grain of salt)
 
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