Michael Savage is a racist, a homophobe, and a hate-artist. I can't believe you listen to that man, let alone take anything he says seriously.
Travis, you're wrong. Michael Savage is wrong. The progressive, social justice, socialist demographic coalition goes back in the USA to a man who is about as American as apple pie. Hell, he's more American than apple pie. It's Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican, who campaigned for fair wages, supported unions, and other such things. He was a Progressive, big P, and he was fucking awesome.
It's become patently clear to me that you have no idea what socialism actually is. Those sixth graders you're so worried about will have a stronger grasp of it than you. Why? Because they discuss it, and learn about it. They understand the differences in grade between social democracy, socialism, Communism, and Stalinism and other complete authoritarian methods of government. They might even understand that the things Barack Obama has suggested are both legal and very conservative in span and scope compared to the rest of the industrialized world.
Putting your point in larger letters does not make it any more true, by the way.
Let me be 100% frank. I disagree with many stated political opinions of most people who are conservative on this board, people like Cornfed Hick, and bearfan. But I think both those gentlemen would agree that our disagreements have been civil and honest. I respect their opinions, and I believe, in general, they respect mine. They are reasoned, and discuss facts. They look at precedent. They refrain from using biased terminology. As it stands, I don't respect yours - because it isn't educated or thought out.
I want it to be clear that yours isn't the only opinion - there are a couple very liberal voices around that I generally have less respect for due to the nature they make the arguments, but I won't call them out in public, as that would be unfair, and indeed, irrelevant. I'll happily share those opinions in private.
My opinion is biased. I am a liberal, a product of a country that is leaps and bounds more liberal than the United States, and for a moment I would never expect the solutions of my nation to work in the same ways that they have in the USA. But I can respect people who have conservative ideals if they show they are willing to listen to me - and to listen to reason. I've seen some of those conservatives on this forum change their mind as we discuss, rather than ignore facts. I know my mind has changed, from time to time. I don't even see you respond to points made to you. I don't see you engage. Instead? You just get louder. And that's the fucking problem. The people who you listen to only know how to get louder.
Stop being part of the problem. Ask us questions, and we will answer them. You have opinions and smart people here from many sides, who will give you a bevy of intelligent answers. Don't listen to Michael Savage, or Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity. They lie constantly. For that matter, avoid the liberal pundits, like Rachel Maddow and...whoever else is a liberal pundit. Let's talk about cold, harsh realities. Name me a policy of the last four years that you think is Obama's fault, and is creating a socialist nation. One. And we can start sorting it out with real facts, with real ideas. Not strawmen and appeals to emotions and a thousand other logical fallacies that prey on your lack of understanding. Please.
Edit: I apologize if this seems harsh, but I feel very strongly on the need for intelligent discourse, rather than just trying to out-shout your opponents. The offer to discuss and talk and show is real and honest - even if the end result is that your opinions don't change.
