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There is no deal that would have satisfied Brexiteers or Remainers, so Theresa May was doomed to fail. They could have saved a lot of taxpayers money these last 3 years getting ready for a no deal instead...
 
GhostofCain said:
There is no deal that would have satisfied Brexiteers or Remainers, so Theresa May was doomed to fail. They could have saved a lot of taxpayers money these last 3 years getting ready for a no deal instead...
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Correct - the two sides are far too disparate. 50%+1 was probably too low for a threshold when it came to Brexit, anyway, due to the practical issues, or a second question could have been asked at the time. Regardless, it's almost certainly going to be a hard Brexit, and all the troubles therein.
 
This tidbit from the cabinet meeting makes me chuckle:

The Brexit Secretary, Dominic Raab, is understood to have had had a "heavy heart", but not to have spoken against the deal.
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Even the guy who was in charge of negotiating isn't happy. :lol:

The EU also doesn't give a shit about all this and has more important things to do:

Agata Gostyńska-Jakubowska, from the Centre for European Reform think tank, says EU leaders "will probably just trust Michel Barnier".

"If he says that's the best deal we can have, they will probably give their political endorsement and move on to more important issues like the eurozone crisis but also the migration crisis."
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This is great isn't it? Not only has our dear government, and the previous government which called the referendum, wasted our time for the last two-and-a-half years, they've also wasted the EU's time as they would rather be trying to fix/fleece Greece and find homes for Angela Merkel's migrants.
 
Black Wizard said:
This tidbit from the cabinet meeting makes me chuckle:


Even the guy who was in charge of negotiating isn't happy. :lol:

The EU also doesn't give a shit about all this and has more important things to do:


This is great isn't it? Not only has our dear government, and the previous government which called the referendum, wasted our time for the last two-and-a-half years, they've also wasted the EU's time as they would rather be trying to fix/fleece Greece and find homes for Angela Merkel's migrants.
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Not at all. Individual countries are currently looking into every detail of this deal. Mine, e.g., wants to know about what Dutch fishermen are still allowed to do, compared with now, a.o. things. If all well, the European Parliament is next.

Theresa May has not failed. Not yet. Well, depending on what we define with failing in this context.

Brexit might (have) fail(ed) but that is what you guys have decided.
 
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And the Brexit secretary too.

Black Wizard said:
This is great isn't it? Not only has our dear government, and the previous government which called the referendum, wasted our time for the last two-and-a-half years, they've also wasted the EU's time as they would rather be trying to fix/fleece Greece and find homes for Angela Merkel's migrants.
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I guess they can tell members of the business community that arent happy about Brexit that they gave it their best shot at getting a deal, but y'know, will of the people came first.
 
Brigantium said:
And the Brexit secretary too.
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I saw that one. What a mess. He was the guy in charge of negotiating the damn deal.

Perhaps this should be on his and the PM's Christmas list...

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The PM is supposed to be addressing parliament imminently. I wonder if it will be for the last time in her current role...
 
Black Wizard said:
The first minesterial resignation has happened this morning. Someone from the Northern Ireland Office. Nobody important then.

There's about a 50% chance of that being correct.
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It wasn't that genius who only found out a few weeks ago that nationalists voted for nationalist parties and unionists voted for unionist parties was it?
 
Something I feel really uneasy about is repeated waves of resignations in the party getting rid of the more experienced and more rational politicians, and increasingly putting fringey and unhinged backbenchers into positions of power.
 
srfc said:
It wasn't that genius who only found out a few weeks ago that nationalists voted for nationalist parties and unionists voted for unionist parties was it?
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I didn't know about that, but it seems like a complicated concept to me.

There was one MP who said in a radio interview that there is a reciprocal agreement - as part of the Good Friday Agreement - between the UK and the Republic of Ireland where British people can get an Irish passport and vice versa. :lol:

Several Tory MPs have already submitted letters requesting a vote of no confidence in Theresa May as party leader. General Election here we come...
 
Niall Kielt said:
Is it not the case that they could just pick a new leader?
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Yes, but any deal the Conservative party puts forward will be rejected by Labour, Lib Dems and SNP. A few Tories will probably reject it to. I think it's possible to force a general election somehow if Parliament rejects the deal and the government can't do anything.
 
If they lose a vote of confidence and can't win another within 14 days, there has to be a general election. To be fair, the Conservatives are pretty confident they'll come out better than Labour. But there's a lot of shouting on social media for people to vote UKIP, which would be really bad news if they end up in coalition with the backbench Conservatives.
 
Brigantium said:
If they lose a vote of confidence and can't win another within 14 days, there has to be a general election. To be fair, the Conservatives are pretty confident they'll come out better than Labour.
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They were certain they'd have a big majority last year and look what happened. Its true that Jeremy Corbyn has been behind Theresa May in opinion polls - which is unusual for such an unpopular PM - but he showed in last year's general election campaign that he can do better than expected. I reckon another general election will give us a minority Labour government who would be equally divided and shit and negotiating with the EU.
 
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