chaosapiant
Ancient Marinade
I feel like even at a best case scenario, Trump's comments will be enough to embolden NetAndYahoo and fan the flames of more Palestinian hatred. Even worse than what's going on now.
The Israel-Palestine Conflict
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Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
Puts a bigger target on Israel's back from the surrounding area. Which would inevitably lead to more attacks on Israel, allowing Netanyahu to take further military actions and further prolong his trial.
GhostofCain
Ancient Mariner
And a big fan of the International Criminal Court:
ICC: Dozens of member states back top criminal court after Trump sanctions
A majority of member states, including the UK, Germany and France, said the court was "vital" for international justice.
www.bbc.com
The far right convicted felon orange man baby is a deranged dangerous lunatic.
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
We're not even in the ICC, so, I'm certain this EO like a good chunk of them he's signed is to just give him something to do before going he goes off for 'executive time.'And a big fan of the International Criminal Court:
ICC: Dozens of member states back top criminal court after Trump sanctions
A majority of member states, including the UK, Germany and France, said the court was "vital" for international justice.
The far right convicted felon orange man baby is a deranged dangerous lunatic.
Azas
The Trial of Injustice
Emmanuel Macron intends to recognize the State of Palestine at the UN General Assembly.
This is, in my view, a deeply wrong decision. At its core, it rewards not only ordinary Palestinians, but also—implicitly—the horrific actions carried out by hamas on October 7. It sends the message that such brutal tactics were calculated, and ultimately acceptable.
And this logic echoes what we’re seeing across the world on a larger scale: you can achieve your goals through brute force, terror, and aggression. That’s the mindset behind putin’s war in Ukraine and China’s ambitions toward Taiwan. It’s a horrifying way of thinking—one that completely ignores basic principles of ethical behavior and justice.
A Palestinian state should only be recognized once hamas is no longer in power and has been dismantled. Palestinians could have achieved statehood through countless negotiations and diplomatic processes. But not as the result of a monstrous terrorist attack.
I won’t go into the specifics of the conflict—I’m speaking solely about the logic here. You simply cannot reward the outcome of such an atrocity. You just can’t.
This is, in my view, a deeply wrong decision. At its core, it rewards not only ordinary Palestinians, but also—implicitly—the horrific actions carried out by hamas on October 7. It sends the message that such brutal tactics were calculated, and ultimately acceptable.
And this logic echoes what we’re seeing across the world on a larger scale: you can achieve your goals through brute force, terror, and aggression. That’s the mindset behind putin’s war in Ukraine and China’s ambitions toward Taiwan. It’s a horrifying way of thinking—one that completely ignores basic principles of ethical behavior and justice.
A Palestinian state should only be recognized once hamas is no longer in power and has been dismantled. Palestinians could have achieved statehood through countless negotiations and diplomatic processes. But not as the result of a monstrous terrorist attack.
I won’t go into the specifics of the conflict—I’m speaking solely about the logic here. You simply cannot reward the outcome of such an atrocity. You just can’t.
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To me, the horrific action is now that of Israel, which has used the excuse of Hamas's attack to attempt the destruction of the Palestinian people. I agree that this won't change their fate, which now seems like they will be starved to death en masse.
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
I posted it in the US thread a few days ago, but it bears repeating:
The IDF is explicitly targeting children, maiming them and shooting at their genitals while they are waiting to receive aid and food. This goes clearly far beyond Hamas.
The IDF is explicitly targeting children, maiming them and shooting at their genitals while they are waiting to receive aid and food. This goes clearly far beyond Hamas.
Azas
The Trial of Injustice
My Thoughts on the Current Situation:
I agree that the longer this conflict drags on, the more it damages Israel’s position—because civilian deaths are unacceptable in any society that calls itself democratic.
But to me, what Emmanuel Macron is doing is just another symbolic gesture—not a true act of care for people’s lives. I’ll repeat the metaphor I’ve used before because I think it perfectly captures what’s happening in the world today: a well-educated, prosperous man from the Elysian Fields, sitting in an Ivory Tower, passes judgment. He condemns from his Renaissance perch but, in truth, does nothing meaningful.
We all know that killing is wrong. That much is obvious. But if Macron, together with the UN or several other “deeply concerned” countries, were to actually send peacekeeping forces into Gaza—I would applaud them for finally doing something that matters. But of course, that would be too much work. It carries electoral risk. Troops could be killed. It’s expensive. It’s easier to say the right things than to do the right things.
Because if you send troops in, you have to commit to keeping them there for years, maybe decades. Palestinian society has been deeply wounded by a doctrine of hate. Healing will not come quickly. Terrorist cells are abundant—and will remain so—fueled by Iran and other “Death to Israel” regimes. Even russia plays its part, since every destabilization benefits them.
This is a deeply complex issue. But I believe the democratic world could find a real solution alongside Israel—because democracies don’t behead infidels. At first, Israel might reject peacekeepers, or a formal Palestinian state. But with strong guarantees, and real support in defending against hostile neighbors, a solution could emerge.
We must keep in mind the reality Israel lives with: it is surrounded—though not entirely—by deeply hostile actors. Israel cannot always make perfectly moral decisions. Sometimes, in order to defend yourself, you must kill. That’s the harsh truth of this world. Collateral damage is tragic—but sadly inevitable.
So again, if the UN were an organization with real courage, they would act—not just talk. (They can’t even remove russia from their own ranks—for fuck’s sake, what are we even talking about?)
At the same time, I recognize that Netanyahu is likely using this crisis for his own political gain. But Israel as a nation is dealing with extreme political and existential pressure.
My main thesis is simple: killing innocent people is wrong. But if you truly care about them—help them in a way that matters. Don’t just gaze out from your elegant window in the Ivory Tower. Send peacekeeping troops. Make a difference.
And I say this with full sincerity: I WANT PEACE ON EARTH. But so what? In the end, it’s just dust in the wind unless someone turns words into action. Politicians must act as if they mean it. And yes—many will be punished at the next election for doing the right thing. Because real action creates real challenges. It’s costly. It’s messy. It demands courage.
I truly don’t know what the solution is. Maybe now is the time for Israel to show some goodwill and take a step back. But the free world must then step forward—to ensure that Hamas is removed from power, and that this violent cycle doesn’t just start all over again.
I agree that the longer this conflict drags on, the more it damages Israel’s position—because civilian deaths are unacceptable in any society that calls itself democratic.
But to me, what Emmanuel Macron is doing is just another symbolic gesture—not a true act of care for people’s lives. I’ll repeat the metaphor I’ve used before because I think it perfectly captures what’s happening in the world today: a well-educated, prosperous man from the Elysian Fields, sitting in an Ivory Tower, passes judgment. He condemns from his Renaissance perch but, in truth, does nothing meaningful.
We all know that killing is wrong. That much is obvious. But if Macron, together with the UN or several other “deeply concerned” countries, were to actually send peacekeeping forces into Gaza—I would applaud them for finally doing something that matters. But of course, that would be too much work. It carries electoral risk. Troops could be killed. It’s expensive. It’s easier to say the right things than to do the right things.
Because if you send troops in, you have to commit to keeping them there for years, maybe decades. Palestinian society has been deeply wounded by a doctrine of hate. Healing will not come quickly. Terrorist cells are abundant—and will remain so—fueled by Iran and other “Death to Israel” regimes. Even russia plays its part, since every destabilization benefits them.
This is a deeply complex issue. But I believe the democratic world could find a real solution alongside Israel—because democracies don’t behead infidels. At first, Israel might reject peacekeepers, or a formal Palestinian state. But with strong guarantees, and real support in defending against hostile neighbors, a solution could emerge.
We must keep in mind the reality Israel lives with: it is surrounded—though not entirely—by deeply hostile actors. Israel cannot always make perfectly moral decisions. Sometimes, in order to defend yourself, you must kill. That’s the harsh truth of this world. Collateral damage is tragic—but sadly inevitable.
So again, if the UN were an organization with real courage, they would act—not just talk. (They can’t even remove russia from their own ranks—for fuck’s sake, what are we even talking about?)
At the same time, I recognize that Netanyahu is likely using this crisis for his own political gain. But Israel as a nation is dealing with extreme political and existential pressure.
My main thesis is simple: killing innocent people is wrong. But if you truly care about them—help them in a way that matters. Don’t just gaze out from your elegant window in the Ivory Tower. Send peacekeeping troops. Make a difference.
And I say this with full sincerity: I WANT PEACE ON EARTH. But so what? In the end, it’s just dust in the wind unless someone turns words into action. Politicians must act as if they mean it. And yes—many will be punished at the next election for doing the right thing. Because real action creates real challenges. It’s costly. It’s messy. It demands courage.
I truly don’t know what the solution is. Maybe now is the time for Israel to show some goodwill and take a step back. But the free world must then step forward—to ensure that Hamas is removed from power, and that this violent cycle doesn’t just start all over again.
One of the primary requirements of peacekeeping is an invitation from actors in place. In other words, UN peacekeeping cannot occur without an invite from Israel. It seems highly unlikely that will happen. At this stage, they have worked so very hard to get rid of journalists, to get rid of any aid group that isn't directly controlled by the IDF. They do not want people seeing what is happening in Gaza, and that is because there were, as of May, ~300,000 people in stage 5 starvation - imminent death. Al Jazeera reports 135 dead of starvation so far, but I feel that number is likely very understated, though I cannot prove it. Hamas has been almost completely destroyed in Gaza, and while some fighters retain some weapons an Oct 7 type attack is now completely impossible. Frankly, while I would like to see Hamas defeated, I would like to see millions of Gazans not starve to death a lot more.
Azas
The Trial of Injustice
I agree that Israel has
Alright, I agree—Israel, please stop. But let’s be honest: the root causes also need to be addressed, and that’s the real headache here.
Well, I don't necessarily think the root cause is Hamas. The root cause is the consistent ghettoization of the Palestinian people by the Israeli state, going all the way back to the Nakba of 1948, which is what caused Palestinians to turn to terrorism, and the continued violation of the two-state agreement by Israel. There's no trust there for very good reason, and while I condemn Hamas's actions, I understand why a people who were forcibly evicted from their homes, pushed into a small area of land, and then have been ghettoized might be a little upset about it.
Aggelos
Ancient Mariner
Gaza has currently adults living there, that for their entire lives, all they have known is war. All they have known is Israeli bombs, Israelis throwing them out of their land and their homes, Israelis (not necessarilly soldiers mind you) killing their children. What do you expect these kids to turn into? Pacifists?
Azas
The Trial of Injustice
Edit: All that being said, I strongly dislike what you did there. Ukrainians during stalin’s time did not bring russia’s fury upon themselves by attacking a russian village or by committing horrific acts like beheading or roasting babies. No, sir. Ukrainians were oppressed from the start by an empire that treated other nations as inherently lesser.
Your analogy doesn’t hold. The current iteration of the Israel–Palestine conflict stems directly from a terrorist act committed by the Palestinian leadership. They were not innocent or harmless. Let’s keep our historical comparisons honest.
Aggelos
Ancient Mariner
fixed it for you. And mind you it goes way further back thanthe 2020s.
But why does Hamas wish to commit terrorist acts against Israel? To me, that is the question that one must answer. Hamas will just be replaced by Hamas 2 even if it is destroyed entirely today, because the underlying conditions that created Hamas remain (indeed, have been vastly exacerbated).
Azas
The Trial of Injustice
I can agree with that. Yes, maybe Palestine does need to have a state. But at the same time, it has to be completely disconnected from terrorism. That whole ideology—“Death to Israel”—has to go. And then there’s Iran, stepping in to fund hamas or whatever comes next, with money and weapons. It’s a vicious cycle that needs to be broken.
There are people who would literally say the same thing about the Palestinians.
But fine, I take back that analogy. I really only put it there so you know what's happening in Gaza, that is: People literally starving to death. Not starving in the sense of "Oh man, I haven't had breakfast today, I'm starving", but starving in the sense of dying because there are no nutrients for them to keep their bodies alive. 122 people have starved to death since the war began. Starvation is a horrible death. Nothing that happened on October 7 can justify, even to the slightest, that a person who had nothing to do with it except have the same nationality and skin colour as the people who did those attacks has to suffer this fate.