The Ides Of March - Early recording?

Discussion in 'Maiden Chat' started by Luisma, Feb 4, 2019.

  1. Zare

    Zare Automaton Sovietico

    Ok I don't understand it all - were Parsons and Sampson playing in Ruskin Arms 5th of October 1979? It is listed everywhere so. The 14th of November BBC performance has 2 guitars. Dennis Stratton came into fold in December 1979.
     
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  2. srfc

    srfc Ancient Mariner

    Please explain how they would give credit to Cairns for playing on an intro tape that was only used at live gigs.
     
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  3. phantomoftheicarus

    phantomoftheicarus Nobody can ever hear him call

    I wasn't referring to that issue specifically, more so how llittle 'investigations' as such like this uncover how jumbled up things were and how members contributions get lost in the mix even if they were somewhat significant
     
  4. Zare

    Zare Automaton Sovietico

    Only if that live gig was recorded and released, which it wasn't. I would also like a breakdown of guitarists between Carins and Stratton, eg. throughout 1979, if someone could be arsed :)
     
  5. Magnus

    Magnus Ancient Mariner

    Of course they couldn't. But using it, after releasing The Soundhouse Tapes with no credits to him, kinda adds insult to injury.
     
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  6. Zare

    Zare Automaton Sovietico

    Are we certain he has guitar pats on released tracks? (Strange World wasn't released)
     
  7. srfc

    srfc Ancient Mariner

    That's a bit dramatic.

    For it to be an insult to him, he would have to be aware they were using a tape with him playing on it. It could be anyone playing on that tape to be fair, it's only one simple riff and both guitarists are practically playing the same thing.
     
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  8. Zare

    Zare Automaton Sovietico

    Yeah that's him on Invasion's first/3rd solo (left channel).
     
  9. Magnus

    Magnus Ancient Mariner

    Prowler starts with him
     
  10. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Be gone, Metal for Muthas and Wrathchild connection theories.
    Indeed, Forostar's post of this topic. Can't resist saying that some people did not wish to believe this possibility at first.

    Still, I think the debut album was also recorded (for a big part at least) in January. "The January sessions" is a vague term.
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2019
  11. Magnus

    Magnus Ancient Mariner

    Agree, it's just the attitude.
     
  12. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    When did Cairns leave?
    And what is the reasoning behind the thought that he is playing on this rehearsal?
    Do you guys clearly hear two guitars? I didn't to be honest. Not clearly at least.
     
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  13. srfc

    srfc Ancient Mariner

    In the first 25 seconds you can hear the guitar in one channel is feeding back a bit as the chords ring out and the other channel there's no feedback.
     
  14. Luisma

    Luisma Years Wasted

    @Forostar I can tell you now that I'm a 100% sure that the debut album was NOT recorded in January. The only song recorded in January was Running Free for the single.
     
  15. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    What channel? Do you have stereo?

    Luisma, I am not convinced by the info/reasoning you presented.
     
  16. srfc

    srfc Ancient Mariner

    Yeah, it's the guitar in the right headphone for me.
     
  17. Luisma

    Luisma Years Wasted

    Cairns "left" the band (because of back problems according to him) around April 14, 1979. A little story for everyone reading:

    After recording the Spaceward Demo, Paul went into hospital to have surgery on his back. The band were fully aware of this and Steve and Dave even went to the hospital to see if he was ok. When Paul was fit enough to walk, he was invited to join the band for a few rehearsals, and eventually a few gigs. Due to Paul's operation, understandably he couldn't move around as well as he could before, but the band thought he wasn't giving 100% so they fired him.

    Now, if one is to believe the "official" information (and Loopy comments this in his page): Paul Cairns entered Maiden Late 78 and last show was April 14, 1979. If this is true, one has to consider that Maiden played 2 times at The Ruskin Arms during april (7 & 14), so the recording had to be done in the rehearsal of any of these gigs.

    I do hear 2 guitars.
     
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  18. Luisma

    Luisma Years Wasted

    What part of it?

    The thing is, I have crossed a lot of information and contacted people who are close to the band who have facts to support everything I have presented here and to reach the conclusions I have presented here. I would glady try to clarify things for anyone (as some very knowledgeble people have done with me) but I cannot convince someone who just wants to believe the official information the band has given AND that is wrong.
     
  19. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    It has not so much to do with official or not. The stuff you have mentioned is just not that convincing. Not more than the stuff I mentioned.
    1980? Nope.
    Why? The Soundhouse Tapes happened in 1978.
    Cheers I'll give it another listen.
     
  20. Luisma

    Luisma Years Wasted

    @Forostar this is what happens when you try to write things in a hurry and not pay attention to what you're doing (because you should be working and not talking about Maiden :facepalm:). You're right, Paul Cairns didn't "leave" the band in January 1980, he was fired in the days after his last show with Maiden at The Ruskin Arms on 14 april 1979.

    You're right also right, The Soundhouse Tapes was recorded December 30 & 31, 1978, and as I said not a while ago, Paul Cairns last show with Maiden was April 14, 1979.

    Thanks for correcting my facts here. I have edited the posts where I had incorrect dates.
     
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