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Singles, classics, and the focus of set lists

Discussion in 'Maiden Chat' started by SirRobbins, Aug 10, 2017.

  1. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    I thought Futureal was for sale in the stores. I may be wrong here but I thought The Wicker Man was released via the band's site (fanclub or not; I remember my copies had to be ordered).

    Lord of the Flies could be bought as a CD single in my country. How was that not a single. A not world wide single is still a single.
  2. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    This is a silly argument. If it was released for commercial or promotional use, then it's a single.

    The only grey area I can think of is The Final Frontier. It was released ahead of the album in the form of a music video, but as far as I know it wasn't sent out to radio stations. El Dorado and Coming Home were.
  3. Black Bart

    Black Bart Ancient Mariner

    I think "The Fugitive" was released as a promotional CD for radios only. Another "grey area" single then?
  4. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    I've seen that around on ebay but wasn't sure if it was real or not. Would love to hear more about it.*

    *This adds to a point I brought up in another thread about more songs from FOTD being played live at the early gigs. I can't see them choosing a single without intention to play it live.
  5. TAY666

    TAY666 Invader

    You forgot it was played all through 1984 & 1985 on the Slavery tour also.

    You forgot about Bring Your Daughter.
    Played in 2003.
  6. Black Bart

    Black Bart Ancient Mariner

    Apart from "Out of the Silent Planet" (it was tried out but later in the tour on 3-4 occasions only). I wonder why, by the way?
  7. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    Well Out Of the Silent Planet was added to the set a few months after the single came out, so it makes a little more sense in that context.
  8. Wayne Bond

    Wayne Bond Nomad

    I quite like this debate about the singles, find it quite interesting and don't see it as an argument.

    Being from the UK from my perspective they haven't really bothered with Singles from the last couple of albums. Sure they made promo vids but never commercially released any actual singles. El dorado and speed of light were just promo releases which were ineligible to chart therefore it's not a single.

    The first 3 reunion albums I remember all had singles which I purchased from HMV on release date. In my collection I have the wicker man which had 2 cd releases (with different b-sides) and a 7" vinyl which I got. Also picked up out of the silent planet on release too. Both wildest dreams and no more lies had proper commercial releases in the UK which I purchased in store on release day.

    The last proper single I remember being excited for was the Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg. That had multiple versions released too, I have a couple of CDs and the 7" and 12" releases. After this the band seemed to loose interest in singles. Yeah they do promo vids but at this stage of their career they don't really need singles in the traditional sense to act as promotion for the album. All they need is to let a song or two out on iTunes, Spotify etc and chuck a video out and that's enough for them these days.
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2017
  9. Perun

    Perun Climbing like a monkey Staff Member

    You seem to be missing out Rainmaker and Different World...
  10. Wayne Bond

    Wayne Bond Nomad

    So I am, how could I forget those. Again both full single releases on multiple formats.
  11. Diesel 11

    Diesel 11 Come to the Sabbath

    Talking of what's a single and what's not a single...

    Empire of the Clouds. Would you consider its release as a single, an EP, or just a promo release? There seems to be a few who consider it an EP instead of a single, given its length, which makes sense, so I'm interested in knowing what others' thoughts are.

    Yeah @Magnus , I have a thing for Empire. What's the big deal? :p
  12. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    I dunno, counting the b-side Empire Of the Clouds qualifies as an LP. I doubt anybody is going to argue that it is. But it's one track per side which is a typical single format. I would call it an EP if it had 4 short tracks (two per side on a 10 inch for example).
  13. Brigantium

    Brigantium Work Geordie for hire Staff Member

    I'm old school. A single to me is 7in.
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  14. Maiden4Ever

    Maiden4Ever Trooper

    Another WTF moment. Just like ID not being played on the recent ME tour
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  15. Maiden4Ever

    Maiden4Ever Trooper

    When the wind blows is a potential classic. Rather hear this than FOTD again for example
  16. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    It's a little long though. The Talisman is probably a more likely epic to bring back. El Dorado and Coming Home are both highly likely to return IMO.
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  17. Welsh Phantom

    Welsh Phantom Educated Fool

    I read an interview where Steve (or maybe it was Bruce) said they were not happy that OOTSP was released as a single by the record company, as they had no intention of playing it live. As it was released they then tried it out live at the end of the tour.
    (sorry but I can't remember the source, but it was on line somewhere)
  18. Maiden4Ever

    Maiden4Ever Trooper

    I can see sign of the cross, clansman, heaven can wait and bring your daughter coming back on the possible legacy tour. Rest of the set made up of the usual set list regulars. No surprises I fear.
  19. srfc

    srfc Educated Fool

    There's loads like that, Where Eagles Dare has a promo for instance. Rime of the Ancient Mariner even has a promo from South Africa I think. I believe Cross Eyed Mary even got a bit of airplay in the States.

    In terms of the debate in this thread, I think the meaning and relevance of the term "single" has changed with the decline of physical sales and in the UK with the inclusion of downloads in the charts.
  20. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    Cross Eyed Mary was because they'd flip the record over. My first time hearing the song was on the Alice Cooper show. It sounded like Maiden but I had never heard it before. Then sure enough Alice says it's The Trooper b-side and he was playing straight from the record.
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