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Singles, classics, and the focus of set lists

Discussion in 'Maiden Chat' started by SirRobbins, Aug 10, 2017.

  1. srfc

    srfc Educated Fool

    On boots I have from the SIT they often messed up the pre-chorus to chorus section, i.e after the build up bruce would sing the chorus but it was actully the "what became of the men that started" part. Maybe they think they are too sloppy playing it?
  2. srfc

    srfc Educated Fool

    What makes you think Bruce dislikes Bring Your Daughter?
  3. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    Not true. Two months ago, I saw Midnight Oil, a band of about the same age and during this tour they did close to 90 different songs. Their sets were mostly 23 or 24 songs per concert (much shorter gigs at festivals though). Yes, their songs are shorter and many of them less intense to play, my point is especially that they want and are able to play so many different songs. They love it and the fans as well of course. Only 4 'mandatory cuts', the rest can be anything, every night.
    Absolutely. But we can only guess why. They sure seem not motivated to (re-)learn (rehearse) enough material in order to put more variety in their setlists.
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  4. Vantage Point

    Vantage Point Prowler

    Think the set-list stability is partly down to the fact that the light show is programmed in for a song, apparently takes a bit of effort to change ...
  5. Black Bart

    Black Bart Ancient Mariner

    Bruce sang it on the Italian tour in October 1981 though.

    I never got the unpopularity of this song on this forum. I'd rather hear it more than most of what came after in IM's repertoire.

    Not even "Perry Mason"?
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  6. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    This approach is a free choice of (someone in) the band, or at least, imo it should be. The light show is not the boss itself.

    To me, the light show issue sounds like a convenient reason (excuse) for not putting more effort in the musical side of the show.

    I don't give a fuck about a light show of lesser "quality" if that would leave more room for variation on that side.

    And why would it be more difficult? It doesn't have to be of lesser quality. Let the lightmen work harder. Let the band (and if needed the lightmen) put more time in rehearsing then. Sorry to be blunt (towards the band that is), but I am not a dumb idiot. It's all bullshit. It's fucking lazinessck of motivation.
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  7. Wayne Bond

    Wayne Bond Nomad

    There have been to date (and due to the length of time not likely) any singles from the BOS.

    Those claiming speed of light and empire were singles are incorrect. Empire was a record store day exclusive release and never officially announced as a single nor recognised as a single buy the charts in any country.

    Same with speed of light it was a Best Buy exclusive I believe and never intended as a single just a teaser for the upcoming album.

    You can't release something as a single and limit each release to just one store in one country like they did with SOL. Kinda the same with empire with only select stores having it. You couldn't even buy these online unless you were getting mugged by some dirty git who managed to get more than one copy and thought he'd fleece his fellow Maiden fans. I hate scalpers with a passion but that's another story lol
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  8. soundwave

    soundwave Educated Fool

    That's awesome! 90 songs is unreal, My mind would be blown if Maiden did that.
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  9. Black Bart

    Black Bart Ancient Mariner

    As regards setlists, I think they tend to follow a kind of pattern, based on what they feel is "a good dynamic", taking their own physical/musical limitations into account at the same time. This is something I posted in the TBOS tour 1 a while ago, but I'm not sure it works so well for the second leg.
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  10. srfc

    srfc Educated Fool

    totally agreed.

    In the same bracket, Lord of the Flies and Futureal where not properly released as singles either, nor anything off The Final Frontier.
  11. Whooten

    Whooten Educated Fool

    Phish just played 13 shows in NY without repeating one song. I bet the light show seemed at least passable.
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  12. Black Bart

    Black Bart Ancient Mariner

    "Lord of the Flies" was actually released as a single in 1996. It features the covers of "My Generation" and "Doctor, Doctor". I guess there was a physical release of "Futureal" too but I didn't buy it.
  13. srfc

    srfc Educated Fool

    I'd class them as "grey area" singles at best.

    Lord of the Flies was only released as a cd in a couple of countries. It was never released in the UK nor was it released as vinyl + 2 cds, as had originally been intended when the Man on the Edge single was released with a collectors box.

    Futureal was only available as mail order from the Fan Club.

    EDIT: Wasting Love I would class as being similar as well
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  14. Whooten

    Whooten Educated Fool

    Why do these semantics matter? Speed of Light and Final Frontier both had a video that was widely available. Lord of the Flies had a release (albeit limited). If any of these albums were to be promoted, the aforementioned songs would have been played. They were given prominent spots in ensuing tour(s). These are "singles."
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  15. srfc

    srfc Educated Fool

    It doesn't matter a huge deal. Certainly not anymore, but a proper chart release single used to be somewhat exiting back in the day. You'ld get to hear new b-sides, maybe Maiden would get a brief bit of exposure in the mainstream. There was a thread here a few weeks ago about Maiden on Top of the Pops, it was nice seeing a small bit of hype about Maiden in those days, and it gives a bit of gravitas to the tracks that did well in the charts.

    The half arsed released tracks don't have that. It was embarassing that Maiden weren't able to release things like Lord of the Flies or Futureal properly. So they shouldn't be thought of as carrying the same sort of weight as Run to the Hills or Can I Play with Madness.
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  16. Sth2112

    Sth2112 Nomad

    Maiden have such a huge catalouge of songs to pick from now, and they always have to play some of the classics and singles, and they don't seem to bother to rehearse other older album tracks.

    People should know by now, that Maiden rarely have any surprises when it comes to setlists (the exception are A matter of life and death tour in 2006 and Journeyman in 2003/2004).

    And I believe many 80's songs will never be played live again, after they were done in those history tours in 2005 and 2012-2014.
  17. Wayne Bond

    Wayne Bond Nomad

    Actually futureal was released as a single, in the uk at least. I have a copy amongst my collection and I remember distinctly walking into my local record shop one lunch time during work and seeing it amongst the new releases and buying a copy.

    Now, my local record store back then was a small independent and I knew the owner quite well and he knew the sort of music I was buying and would often get hold of limited edition stuff or rare stuff just on a whim because he knew either me or one of my mates would buy it so he could have sourced the single from some here other than normal sources and it might not have been an official single but it certainly looks like one, packaged up as a proper cd single with proper b sides.

    I vaguely remember being able to purchase the single through the fan club as well. Might dig out my old magazines but I remember it being advertised as being able to buy from the website I. One of the fan club magazines.
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  18. Wayne Bond

    Wayne Bond Nomad

  19. srfc

    srfc Educated Fool

    I'd say he ordered it from the FC. I stand to be corrected on this, but my memory is that it had originally been intended to have a proper release on 7 inch and 2 CD's., there was ad's for it in Metal Hammer, and the 7 inch was supposed to have the "futuristic Powerslave" Riggs cover, but it was deemed their wasn't enough demand for it to be released properly so it was only released on 1 CD through the fan club.
  20. Wayne Bond

    Wayne Bond Nomad

    You could well be right on that. I do get what you've been saying about singles releases. Back in the day Maiden singles were always a big event as you'd often get a couple of rare b sides.

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