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[Nomadd]

Oh come one, this is disingenuous and you know it. We know you have an axe to grind with Nomadd, but it is absolutely true that Ozzy and Black Sabbath are much better known in the mainstream than Maiden. Just look how non-metalheads reacted to Ozzy's death. I can guarantee you that if Bruce or Steve died instead, the reaction wouldn't have reached the same levels.

You can make fun of many of the takes without having to twist the words and built strawmen when Nomadd ends up making a valid point.

Exactly!

 

[Cat Milk Supreme]

Oh come one, this is disingenuous and you know it. We know you have an axe to grind with Nomadd, but it is absolutely true that Ozzy and Black Sabbath are much better known in the mainstream than Maiden. Just look how non-metalheads reacted to Ozzy's death. I can guarantee you that if Bruce or Steve died instead, the reaction wouldn't have reached the same levels.

You can make fun of many of the takes without having to twist the words and built strawmen when Nomadd ends up making a valid point.

Hold on now, this is verging on absolute nonsense.

Nomadds original post suggested that Maiden weren't as big/popular/legendary as Sabbath/Ozzy because Rod didn't learn from Sabbath/Ozzys managment.

That's utter nonsense, Sabbath and Ozzys place in the world is what it is, the music, the times, the fact that Ozzy was a very public figure and a lunatic at that. The fact that they are more known or revered by more people than Maiden has fuck all to do with decisions made by Roderick Smallwood, as Nomadd suggested.

You call Shadows response disingenuous. It was heavily sarcastic. Genuine sarcasm, in my reading of it.

We all know that Sabbath and Ozzy are better known/loved than Maiden in terms of the mainstream or non metalhead population or pure numbers or whatever. Suggesting that's Maidens managements 'fault' or defending that stance is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Vaenyr]

Hold on now, this is verging on absolute nonsense.

Nomadds original post suggested that Maiden weren't as big/popular/legendary as Sabbath/Ozzy because Rod didn't learn from Sabbath/Ozzys managment.

That's utter nonsense, Sabbath and Ozzys place in the world is what it is, the music, the times, the fact that Ozzy was a very public figure and a lunatic at that. The fact that they are more known or revered by more people than Maiden has fuck all to do with decisions made by Roderick Smallwood, as Nomadd suggested.

You call Shadows response disingenuous. It was heavily sarcastic. Genuine sarcasm, in my reading of it.

We all know that Sabbath and Ozzy are better known/loved than Maiden in terms of the mainstream or non metalhead population or pure numbers or whatever. Suggesting that's Maidens managements 'fault' or defending that stance is beyond ridiculous.

That was not all that Nomadd said. I obviously don't agree with the claims about Rod, but it's also true that Sharon played a big role for Ozzy for the last 30 or so years.

The posts I quoted of Shadow did not talk about Rod or Sharon, they strawmanned Nomadd's position about Maiden's fame and popularity. I have no issue with people calling each other out (he said, right after calling Shadow out lol) but I also think you can do that by engaging with the position, not by mocking a weird strawman of it.