I promise, my last comment here, I agree we should return back to the main topic, please
That's BS, sorry. Your example is probably about Jennifer Lawrence from 2022, where a comment of hers was completely taken out of context. She did not claim what you are writing here, she said that they were told that.
In most of those controversies it's not about the writing. It's about the "audacity" to have a leading role that is not a straight cis white man, as we've had for dozens of years. The toxic "fans" never criticize the plot holes and writing issues of the entries they love, they only ever attack new movies and shows. I can absolutely guarantee you if Terminator or Alien were to release today, the anti-woke crowds would be screaming bloody murder about "forced diversity", "mary sues" and similar bullshit.
Sorry, but you are wrong. Let's put it this way - I have seen many Christian movies (unfortunately most of the US make) ... and they are terrible, mostly. In fact, I find them more terrible and offensive
because I'm a Christian. Because if you want to preach (i.e. that's your priority) AND you're not an excellent storyteller/creator/whatever, it's always going to be shallow, cringy, hamfisted, stupid. People
will know.
Same goes with other ideologies. There is a huge difference between diversity and forced diversity. There is a huge difference between strong/powerful character and a Mary Sue. Everybody knows that, or at least, instinctively feels that. Is able to recognise it in the final product. If you're going to claim you fail see the difference, sorry, but I will suspect you of disingenuity because of your political bent, because you're otherwise a person of insight and rather sound analysis, so I simply wouldn't believe you to be this blind.
Would there be people nowadays complaining about Ripley (also, not taking into consideration the current political context, by the way, but whatever)? Probably. Would it be 75% of the audience? Doubt so.
I hated on Kelly Tran (at first; I don't think people should have bullied her, like they shouldn't have bullied Ahmed Best or Jake Lloyd - you don't deserve that for a job badly done). And not because she's Asian or because she's female, but because the character was absolutely horrid, more annoying than Jar Jar. And because she came off as a terrible actress. Like Christensen in the prequels. Maybe that's not her fault, maybe it's the fault of the director/scriptwriter/whoever. But still, you tend to conflate the actors with the roles you meet them in.
To react to your post - would there still be toxic people, racists, sexists, whomever, if the product was good? Probably (although I somehow fail to see toxic people complaining about the insanely overpowered female protagonist of
Control ... or the other women in positions of authority there... maybe because they're great and likable as characters and have flaws and don't feel like fake constructs designed to check off diversity points or to hammer home some point, strawmaning over any dissent).
But you wouldn't get non-toxic people complaining about Mary Sues. You wouldn't get actual progressives complaining about forced diversity (which I've thankfully seen, which shows that you can be of that political bent and not be hopelessly "locked in").
This whole post feels to me like, I don't know, everyone who says
God's Not Dead fucking sucks (which it does) is a toxic, braindead Satanist.
Besides
The thing is, you're just parroting the same lines that the toxic fandoms repeat endlessly. "It's the corporations fault, not ours!"
At some point you (not you personally) may have to claim some responsibility over sending death threats to any actors of colour in Star Wars or Rings of Power (which is well documented). Or review bombing shows and movies before they've even been seen.
George Lucas was so sick of his own fans he sold his company to get shot of them. Tolkien fans have always been toxic. I remember the abuse they would send to Liv Tyler and Peter Jackson. The difference these days is that there's now a racial element which has just made things worse.
It's not all just "corporations bad".
This is not something specific to those fandoms, though - you get toxicity and death threats with everything (I've also gotten some in my life, and I'm an internal employee of a university and I don't come to contact with the public much) - and especially on the internet.
I mean, members of Antestor were getting death threats from the black metal community (including the musicians themselves) because they were Christians and "tainted" the
tr00 blag kvlt genre. I wonder where the blokes got the time for sending those, between the burning of the churches or doing homophobic murders. But it's the blokes that sent the death threats, burned churches and killed homosexuals who are the legends today, you know?
Anyway, it
is the corpos' fault that they give the reason to hate the product even to people who aren't toxic. And it
is their fault if then just cry "bigotry", because that's the easiest (i. e. - cheapest) way.
I won't take responsibility for every fringe unhinged cunt on the internet, much like I don't expect every left-leaning progressive to take responsibility for every tankie that literally wants to close off airports and defenestrate people or something.
Imagine if they replaced Nicko with a woman drummer!
It would be "Iron Woke" this and "Cross-Eyed Mary Sue" that...
For someone who complains about "toxic", someone should tell you that strawmaning (or wishing someone strapped to a rocked and die) is toxic as well.
All the more since I don't often see people complaining about women in rock bands, whether it be Iron Maidens or Lita Ford or My Bloody Valentine or Pixies or White Zombie or the entire symphonic/gothic subgenre, whatever. You know, for all the toxicity.
there's so many things wrong with that post, I don't know where to begin...
It's called whataboutism, I suppose.
Anyway, fuck this exchange, really, this is absolutely useless, nobody is convincing anyone,
nobody's even listening, let's go back to the Run for Your Lives Tour.
PLEASE.