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Not to pick on the Habs, but I'll be curious to see how Price fairs, after the playoffs.  I think he'll be fine, and lead them back stronger than last year-- however, I saw some articles that wondered about his 'psyche' after having a few hard games.
 
Price is the real deal.  He'll be back and be back strong.  I have absolute complete faith in him.  And so does Bob Gainey.
 
Price and Fleury are every bit as good if not better than they've been hyped up to be. And Nigel mentioned something I forgot to, Nabby is getting old, he's already 33, I give him 4 more "good" years, but I'm being generous.
 
Gainey took a huge gamble last season, unloading Huet to Washington. He better have faith in Price, and Price can't have another melt down. Not to pick on Brodeur, but he has 30+ wins again only because he plays 75 games a season. He's not a kid anymore, and I think come April  he is spent. He did'nt look sharp against the series against Ottawa and this year against New York. I understand the desire to play every game, but playing 5 less games come March might help him and the team. If they don't need him in net to lock in a playoff spot, that is. Last seasons race was the closest I think I've ever seen.
 
Nabby won 46 for the same reason... more games you play greater chance for a winning record. But I agree Brodeur isn't getting any younger and a good back up than can play 15-20 games to help him out so he is fresh for the playoffs should be NJ's focus.

In looking at the Phoenix prospects Al Montoya, once the future started for the Rangers, is competing for back-up duties with Tellqvist... Whodathunkit.
 
Yeah, Montoya looked pretty good. But the Rangers are pretty deep in the net right now. They were slim in there, after Richter's premature retirement. Now they've got Lunqvist, and Valiquette. I pretty much like how Sather's been managing the team and not trading all the young prospects for run down, past their prime veterans.
 
Part of the reason they didn't re-sign Jagr. I just read an article that mentions that in passing, claiming Jagr left "for big money to Russia." What a crock of shit. He didn't leave for big money, he wanted to play in the NHL, but wanted a 3 year contract nobody wanted to give him... The details have been posted before so I'm not rehashing that, but still, sometimes these writers get things fucked up.

I remember years ago they were writing about Power Forwards and failed to mention Cam Neely, one of the most prolific, and yes, pioneers of the position... how can you be that ignorant on a subject you are PAID to write about? gees.
 
Onhell said:
Part of the reason they didn't re-sign Jagr. I just read an article that mentions that in passing, claiming Jagr left "for big money to Russia." What a crock of shit. He didn't leave for big money, he wanted to play in the NHL, but wanted a 3 year contract nobody wanted to give him... The details have been posted before so I'm not rehashing that, but still, sometimes these writers get things fucked up.

They would have had to pay Jagr 11 million over three years.  They were willing to pay the 11 million but not over three years.  Jagr's over 35, so if he is hurt or retires, the team takes the 11 million cap hit for the REMAINDER OF HIS CONTRACT under the CBA.
 
CBA is really fucked up. But what did we expect when GARY BETTMAN  had alot to do with it. What is the cap for this season? 52 mil? Anyway losing Jags is big. I will be really surprised if the Rangers can make the playoffs this season. They did'nt really improve the blueline any. I'm not really that excited about getting Sundin either. Would be no different health wise than if we kept Jagr. mPlus Jagr is a proven big game player, unlike Sundin.
 
Whoa, the Rangers got one of the bigger defensemen going up for free agency, Wade Redden.  Now, I'm not saying that Wade Redden is worth 6.5 million a year, but he's a decent defenseman and should be an OK upgrade for the Rangers.  I think they'll make the playoffs, it all depends on if they can get their bigname centres producing with *someone*.
 
I remember years ago they were writing about Power Forwards and failed to mention Cam Neely, one of the most prolific, and yes, pioneers of the position... how can you be that ignorant on a subject you are PAID to write about? gees.



          That he was. Old number 8 was someone you did'nt want to go in a corner against or piss off.
 
This is just awesome hehe:

Similarities between hockey, heavy metal abound
Doug Karda | NHL.com Correspondent
Aug 20, 2008, 10:12 AM EDT

There are many similarities between hockey and heavy metal. Talent, unity and intensity are key factors for success in both.
Take a moment to think about all the great partnerships in life -- pairs that when one comes to mind, the other immediately and instinctively follows: Peanut butter and jelly, movies and popcorn, baseball and Cracker Jack.

These days, hockey and heavy metal is another symbiotic relationship to be included in that list.

Why do hockey and heavy metal fit together so well?

Mike Levine, a member of the Canadian power trio Triumph, has one answer, delivered tongue-and-cheek: "Other than (both are) usually played by a group of guys in hockey rinks who travel around a lot?"

Seriously though, these two disparate entities have become interwoven in the last little while. When you scratch the surface, hockey and heavy-metal music -- heck, any kind of music -- have more similarities than you might think.

Talent -- To make it in either the NHL or in the world of heavy metal, it takes a whole lot of talent. Sure, talent has to be somewhat of a given, but it's still a point to mention in this relationship. Each discipline boasts a specific type of talent that musicians in other genres or athletes other than hockey players can't possibly possess.

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You will never find a Milli Vanilli in the world of metal. There is no lip-syncing, no faking it and absolutely no pop music-style, cookie-cutter, pretty face that can sing and dance, but has no inkling of a G-clef. Heavy-metal musicians, for the most part, are craftsmen who put in an endless amount of work and creativity to produce their art.

Hockey is no different.  The talents and abilities of NHL players is of a level that very few can truly comprehend.

Years back, I was at a morning skate for the worst team in hockey at the time. At the very end, there were only the healthy scratches and backup goaltender left. These remaining players weren't good enough to start on the worst team in hockey. They were flipping pucks to each other and smacking them in the net out of mid-air. They were taking breakaway practice and roofing the puck while shooting from between their legs. It was an awe-inspiring spectacle, especially considering the actual players playing that night were even more skilled.

Vinnie Paul, current Hellyeah drummer who first made a name for himself with Pantera, understands this dynamic better than most. Pantera, based out of Dallas, is one of the biggest -- and loudest -- metal bands in history.

"When the Stars came to Dallas, I ran into Craig Ludwig, we started talking and I told him how much I'd really like to go to a game," Paul said. "He hooked me up with seats the very next night to the next game and I was just floored.

"When I saw how fast and brutal, just how incredibly talented the skaters are … to me, a hockey player has to be every sport rolled into one: ice skater, baseball player, football player, etc. It's just incredible to watch!"

When I saw how fast and brutal, just how incredibly talented the skaters are … to me, a hockey player has to be every sport rolled into one: ice skater, baseball player, football player, etc. It's just incredible to watch! - Vinnie Paul
Unity -- It is synergy and team play that differentiates the truly great band or team from all the pretenders to the throne.

Paul has been among the metal elite for many years and is as big a hockey fan as anyone.  His proximity to the game and to certain members of the Dallas Stars has allowed himself to see the career similarities first hand.

"Camaraderie is big," says Paul. "The band members must have it with their crews, just as the players and their coaches."

In music, every note must be timed precisely to achieve the desired result. More so, each crew member must play his role and be on the same page as the band for the show to go off without a hitch. The same can be said on the ice. Behind the players are coaches, trainers, medical staff, video specialists, equipment managers and more. Only when every individual is in sync can a team truly reach its potential.

Levine turns serious on this subject, linking his passion for music with Canada's passion for hockey.

"It's about teamwork," Levine says. "Music requires the teamwork of the guys in the band, and like hockey, everybody's got to be coordinated.  So it requires a lot of practice and a certain state of mind to be able to keep yourself up when perhaps you really don't feel like doing so."

Intensity -- This is the fuel that propels both heavy-metal music and the sport of hockey. It is required to fashion a meaningful performance in either arena.

"Camaraderie is big, the band members must have it with their crews, just as the players and their coaches." --Vinnie Paul
You won't find a successful hockey player lacking passion and intensity on the ice. It just never happens. The same can be said for heavy-metal practitioners, who have made their willingness to leave it all on the stage each night a calling card.

Dallas Stars forward Jere Lehtinen has been a long-time fan of heavy metal music. He points to an attitude in the music that he also sees in successful hockey teams.

Ludwig, who was as intense a defenseman as has ever played the game, also understands the mindset that makes musicians and hockey players rise above the pack of their peers.

"I guess the word that comes to mind is intensity," Ludwig said. "These guys, when you're around them, they're intense at their job. Hockey players are the same.  It's all they know. They've been doing it since they were kids. Their intensity and their drive, they've wanted to do all their lives."

Paul, the drummer, sees an even more basic underpinning that the two forums share: "The sheer brutality, the speed; the game is just so intense and that's what hard rock is all about. The intensity, pushing that level up further and further."

Of course, that energy is very hard to maintain through long stretches. Sickness, exhaustion and personal issues take their toll on everyone, even elite-level performers. But those performers have a trick of getting past these lulls that they are happy to share. It's all about the fans, they say. Without fans, sports and music disappear -- period. Fortunately, metal fans and hockey supporters are among the most passionate groups around.

If you happen to be a die-hard fan of either group, it's a safe bet you've found yourself in the minority now and again. Both hockey and metal, by their very nature, are the province of fanatics. They may not boast the number of followers attracted to other sports and musical styles, but it is anecdotally clear that hockey and metal fans are as passionate -- if not more so -- than any other group of fans.

Levine stressed the similarity of the fan experience shared by hockey players and musicians.

"We both feed off the crowd," Levine said. "Most teams obviously prefer to play at home because they have the crowd on their side. I guess there's a slight difference because in rock and roll/heavy metal, there is no home team. In every hockey rink, we get a home crowd."

Ludwig, retired for several years, still recalls the power of the crowd, the magic that a wave of noise can generate as it builds from the rafters and just washes over the players on the ice.

"As a player, you're sitting there and it just seems to fit," Ludwig said. "You want to -- and you need to -- hear it loud; especially when there's not a lot of life in the building.  That's when guys start tapping their legs and hitting each other."

Then the adrenaline begins to flow, energy picks up, and it snowballs.

It's no wonder there seems to be a lot of professional jealousy between hockey players and metal musicians.

"For some reason, at least with the guys I've been around, we've always said that rock stars want to be hockey players and the hockey players want to be rock stars," says James LaBrie, lead singer of Canadian metal outfit Dream Theater.

Now you know why each side harbors dreams of filling the shoes/skates of the other. Their jobs are more common than anyone imagined.

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=379858
 
"For some reason, at least with the guys I've been around, we've always said that rock stars want to be hockey players and the hockey players want to be rock stars," says James LaBrie, lead singer of Canadian metal outfit Dream Theater.

Wait, what??
 
Hey, I have a question for you guys....Who would you consider the dirtiest player in the NHL. Past or present? I'll go with Ulf Samuelson. That guy was the biggest cheapshot artist I think the game ever saw. His knee to knee on Cam Neely(hiich ended up as a career shortening injury) and on Brian Skrudland stand out in my mind. He also was a total pussy, never answering any challenges from the Enforcers of the league. He also extra large shoulder and elbow pads, the kind with the hard plastic shells. He also had a visor and pants that rode up to protect his abdomen from spearing. I just loved it when Tie Domi finally nailed him.
 
How about Darien Hatcher?  I thought he was a pretty nasty guy.  And I can't remember the guy that took out the player in Canada, with a stick to the head... I think there was a lot of legal trouble over that one (maybe that was Hatcher).  You know, I remember some pretty nasty hits that Claude Lemieux gave-- I think that one on Chris Drury in the playoffs was pretty nasty.
 
Ahhhh...that was Marty McSorely ..former Enforcer of the Legendary Edmonton Oiler Teams....He hit Donald Brashear (then of the Vancouver Canucks) in the head with his stick , back in 1998. McSorley stated he just meant to tap him on the shoulder to challenge Brashear to a rematch of their bout earlier in the game, in which Brashear pummeld Marty. But in Marty's case that was pretty much an isolated incident

Old Claude was a dirty player too, when he boarded Chris Draper into the dasher. Hacther I think was more or less a chippy player. He would give alot of headshots, but I don't think he ever really crossed the line. Now Chris Simon deserves an honorable mention. He gave multiple high sticks and crosschecks to the face. He also attempted to stomp on another player's foot with his skate.

Another player that I have to give an honorable mention to is my hero, the Captain Mark Messier. He had the most lethal set of elbows since Gordie Howe.  He was also known to spear a guy or too if he got mad enough. He got his good friend Brian Leetch, when Leetch was a rookie. Mess was also suspended for a couple games near the end of his final season for another spearing incident.
 
Bob Dill.  He was banned from the USHL back in the 40s and was hired by the NYR for the sole purpose of physically harming Maurice "The Rocket" Richard on the ice.  He was a slasher, a hacker, and kicked people with his skates.  The Rocket beat the crap out of him.
 
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