Yeah by more than 2x. Babcock is cashing in and going home.
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Next time Toews needs to score a natural hat trick.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
Maybe someone will ask Kesler when all this hits are going to take effect (once he and Perry decide to talk to the press)
Summary of the Hawks playoffs and opponents so far
Series 1: Nashville -- good team, they generally play well, good coaching.
Series 2: Minny: with a notable exception, class players (Parise/Sutter), good coach
Series 3: Ducks .. Mickey Mouse version of STL. Cannot stand Perry or Kesler (who is now 1-6 versus the Hawks) .. and they show their class by ducking (get it ducking) the media after the game and leave Getzlaf to take the blame. What teammates. Glad they are gone
Go Hawks!
Summary of the Hawks playoffs and opponents so far
Series 1: Nashville -- good team, they generally play well, good coaching.
Series 2: Minny: with a notable exception, class players (Parise/Sutter), good coach
Series 3: Ducks .. Mickey Mouse version of STL. Cannot stand Perry or Kesler (who is now 1-6 versus the Hawks) .. and they show their class by ducking (get it ducking) the media after the game and leave Getzlaf to take the blame. What teammates. Glad they are gone
Go Hawks!
Getzlaf is a class act, though. I'd have him on my team in a heartbeat. Kesler is annoying, and Perry is a whiner, and always has been.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
For sure, I have no problems with Getzlaf (and others on the team) ... I feel bad for him having to play with those two assholes
I felt bad for Getzlaf having to take the blame .. he did not play well the last two games, but a lot of that was Kane, Toews, and Saad playing out of their minds and it was certainly not anywhere near all his fault.
You see Perry and Kesler all over the place when things are going well, when it is tough, they bail. A few days ago, Kesler was talking plenty with his "no human being can withstand all these hits" quote talking about the Chicago D-men ..
Duncan Keith just took it to him in Game 6, which was great to see .. and we have not heard from Kesler since. Screw him.
I felt bad for Getzlaf having to take the blame .. he did not play well the last two games, but a lot of that was Kane, Toews, and Saad playing out of their minds and it was certainly not anywhere near all his fault.
You see Perry and Kesler all over the place when things are going well, when it is tough, they bail. A few days ago, Kesler was talking plenty with his "no human being can withstand all these hits" quote talking about the Chicago D-men ..
Duncan Keith just took it to him in Game 6, which was great to see .. and we have not heard from Kesler since. Screw him.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
They are a better team than STL talent-wise, but they play the same game versus Chicago. They pile up a ton of hits, think they will wear Chicago down and all that happens is they take themselves out of position and the Hawks take advantage of it.
The Hawks played the series with essentially 4 D-men ... look at the minutes the top 4 played, insane.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
I was looking for this earlier
The question going forward is whether Quenneville will continue to utilize his defensemen as he did in the Western Conference finals. He relied heavily on Duncan Keith, Seabrook, Niklas Hjalmarsson and Johnny Oduya and played the other two defensemen sparingly. Keith played 230:48 in the series, Seabrook 207:35, Hjalmarsson 205:03 and Oduya 186:42. The other defensemen’s minutes were much lower. Cumiskey played 48:52, Timonen 47:11 and Rundblad 22:15.
The question going forward is whether Quenneville will continue to utilize his defensemen as he did in the Western Conference finals. He relied heavily on Duncan Keith, Seabrook, Niklas Hjalmarsson and Johnny Oduya and played the other two defensemen sparingly. Keith played 230:48 in the series, Seabrook 207:35, Hjalmarsson 205:03 and Oduya 186:42. The other defensemen’s minutes were much lower. Cumiskey played 48:52, Timonen 47:11 and Rundblad 22:15.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
Proposed rules changes
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Expanded Video Review: Coach's Challenge - The Committee recommends that a Coach's Challenge be adopted for expanded video review for goals that may have resulted from (1) goaltender interference and (2) offside plays. The video review process and all decisions on goals where goaltender interference may have occurred will be the responsibility of the Referees at ice level, in consultation with the NHL's Situation Room in Toronto; similarly, goals that may have resulted from an offside play will be reviewed and determined by the on-ice officials, in consultation with the NHL's Situation Room in Toronto. In order for a coach to make a challenge, the team must have its timeout available.
I like this one, namely that a coaches challenge it is tied to the teams TO
Face-Offs - The Committee recommends a change to the face-off rule, whereby, for all face-offs in the defensive zone, the player from the defensive zone team must put down his stick first. For face-offs at center ice, the rule will remain the same, requiring that the visiting team player put his stick down first.
Not a fan of this, I like it the way it is
Overtime - There was considerable discussion of changing the current overtime format but no consensus was reached. The NHLPA and NHL will continue discussions in the coming weeks on potential changes with the intention for the Committee to make a decision on overtime later this month. There will be no changes to the shootout format.
Just as well, most of the changes (3 on 3 skating, etc) were not any better than what they do now. The main problem to me, and has been for some time, is that some games are worth 3 points, others (most) 2 points.
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Expanded Video Review: Coach's Challenge - The Committee recommends that a Coach's Challenge be adopted for expanded video review for goals that may have resulted from (1) goaltender interference and (2) offside plays. The video review process and all decisions on goals where goaltender interference may have occurred will be the responsibility of the Referees at ice level, in consultation with the NHL's Situation Room in Toronto; similarly, goals that may have resulted from an offside play will be reviewed and determined by the on-ice officials, in consultation with the NHL's Situation Room in Toronto. In order for a coach to make a challenge, the team must have its timeout available.
I like this one, namely that a coaches challenge it is tied to the teams TO
Face-Offs - The Committee recommends a change to the face-off rule, whereby, for all face-offs in the defensive zone, the player from the defensive zone team must put down his stick first. For face-offs at center ice, the rule will remain the same, requiring that the visiting team player put his stick down first.
Not a fan of this, I like it the way it is
Overtime - There was considerable discussion of changing the current overtime format but no consensus was reached. The NHLPA and NHL will continue discussions in the coming weeks on potential changes with the intention for the Committee to make a decision on overtime later this month. There will be no changes to the shootout format.
Just as well, most of the changes (3 on 3 skating, etc) were not any better than what they do now. The main problem to me, and has been for some time, is that some games are worth 3 points, others (most) 2 points.
I'd be okay with this if coaches in the NHL had more timeouts. As it is I think that a coach should have 1 challenge but it is only lost if the challenge is lost.
NHL is trying to increase goals scored again. Agree, leave it alone.
Seems like fairness innovations in international hockey eventually make their way to the NHL. Moving to 3 points for a regulation win seems to be the only fair way.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
I am fine with the jersey changes. The rest is stupid ... especially blocked shots
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/...es-to-goalie-equipment-blocked-shots/related/
Prior to the start of the 2013-14 campaign, the NHL shortened the maximum length of goaltender pads, which itself is determined by the height of the netminder, in the hopes that it would lead to increased scoring. However, goaltenders’ save percentage rose to .915 this season, which is the highest it’s been since the statistic was first tracked in 1983-84.
With that in mind further changes are being considered, according to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman. While keeping the goaltenders protected remains the priority, they want to fight against gear that’s primarily about blocking shots.
Among the possible alterations would be to make goaltenders wear tapered jerseys to prevent them from being able to obscure oversized equipment.
There might also be changes coming for other players as well. NHLPA special assistant Mathieu Schneider reportedly suggested a ban on certain types of blocked shots. Per Friedman:
Without his commentary, it’s difficult to know exactly what he proposed, but in 2008, then-Canadiens GM Bob Gainey recommended banning full-body sliding while in the defending zone.
I’ve spoken to players about this before, and they make a good point. You’re going to have to legislate it out, because many are told that if they don’t block shots, they won’t play.
The emphasis on blocking shots has been a matter of some debate from a tactical standpoint for a while. Obviously a shot that doesn’t even reach the goaltender isn’t going in the net, but players that block shots are also putting themselves at risk of injury. Former coach John Tortorella, who was a big advocate for even top-end skilled players blocking shots, was often scrutinized for his emphasis on the tactic.
As Pat Quinn noted, “I talked to (team doctor) Mike Bernstein and he said the injuries are terrible. He said so many of them are coming from the blocked shots and they’re fractures, and they’re not easily healed.”
There’s no question that blocking shots is a big part of how the game is currently played and really it’s a question of degrees not absolutes. Perhaps putting in rules to reduce certain types of blocks though would lead to fewer injuries and more goals.
If any of these potential changes happen at all, it likely won’t be until the 2016-17 campaign at the earliest.
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/...es-to-goalie-equipment-blocked-shots/related/
Prior to the start of the 2013-14 campaign, the NHL shortened the maximum length of goaltender pads, which itself is determined by the height of the netminder, in the hopes that it would lead to increased scoring. However, goaltenders’ save percentage rose to .915 this season, which is the highest it’s been since the statistic was first tracked in 1983-84.
With that in mind further changes are being considered, according to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman. While keeping the goaltenders protected remains the priority, they want to fight against gear that’s primarily about blocking shots.
Among the possible alterations would be to make goaltenders wear tapered jerseys to prevent them from being able to obscure oversized equipment.
There might also be changes coming for other players as well. NHLPA special assistant Mathieu Schneider reportedly suggested a ban on certain types of blocked shots. Per Friedman:
Without his commentary, it’s difficult to know exactly what he proposed, but in 2008, then-Canadiens GM Bob Gainey recommended banning full-body sliding while in the defending zone.
I’ve spoken to players about this before, and they make a good point. You’re going to have to legislate it out, because many are told that if they don’t block shots, they won’t play.
The emphasis on blocking shots has been a matter of some debate from a tactical standpoint for a while. Obviously a shot that doesn’t even reach the goaltender isn’t going in the net, but players that block shots are also putting themselves at risk of injury. Former coach John Tortorella, who was a big advocate for even top-end skilled players blocking shots, was often scrutinized for his emphasis on the tactic.
As Pat Quinn noted, “I talked to (team doctor) Mike Bernstein and he said the injuries are terrible. He said so many of them are coming from the blocked shots and they’re fractures, and they’re not easily healed.”
There’s no question that blocking shots is a big part of how the game is currently played and really it’s a question of degrees not absolutes. Perhaps putting in rules to reduce certain types of blocks though would lead to fewer injuries and more goals.
If any of these potential changes happen at all, it likely won’t be until the 2016-17 campaign at the earliest.
Taking out blocked shots would be a bigger change to hockey than taking out fighting, a feature for which many fans passionately...well...fight...to keep included.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
More goals <> better Hockey and they are foolish to thing they will get more fans if the scores are 6-5 instead of 3-2.
Baseball went through the same things .. scores were up (for a variety of reasons) ... more recently they have gone down, but the game has (if anything) gotten more popular. IMO, that is because the games are played "right" versus balls flying out of the park .. which makes them more exciting and leads to more dramatic moments.
There is nothing much more dramatic in Hockey than a close game winding down with one team going all out to score a goal and seeing the other team react with block and saves to keep the puck out of the net/clear the zone.
That all goes away if a puck is flying into the net every 5 minutes.
Add to that, look at how big the goalies are now ... that seems a decent reason for a higher save percentage
Baseball went through the same things .. scores were up (for a variety of reasons) ... more recently they have gone down, but the game has (if anything) gotten more popular. IMO, that is because the games are played "right" versus balls flying out of the park .. which makes them more exciting and leads to more dramatic moments.
There is nothing much more dramatic in Hockey than a close game winding down with one team going all out to score a goal and seeing the other team react with block and saves to keep the puck out of the net/clear the zone.
That all goes away if a puck is flying into the net every 5 minutes.
Add to that, look at how big the goalies are now ... that seems a decent reason for a higher save percentage
Blackhawks win! Blackhawks win! Modern dynasty, for sure.