snake plissken
Ancient Mariner
Onhell said:SPOILER!!!
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____no5
Free Man
I saw Inception yesterday. Far from perfect, yet a great watch... let's start from the negative:
The characters and dialogues are not too much developed and the performances are poor. DiCaprio's performance is lamentable, per se. It's impressive though, that such a mediocre actor succeed to attract the audiences, it's a kind of talent as well, I suggest. Despite the fact of its length, I had the impression that the movie should me a bit more developed; everything seems to happen very quickly until the 'dream-team' gets into the plane. And the role of Ariadne,
The script seem to have some holes (which is understandable), take for example
I've noticed some more, yet I preferred to focus on the action, instead.
Having seen the very tight scripted Memento and considering that he was working the script almost 8 years, plus the huge success and it's current ranking in imdb, I was expecting something even better and surely more tight.
Yet the result wasn't disappointing at all. The script with all its holes, still remains a brilliant idea and concept and its execution was fantastic! Some of the best-ever action scenes I've seen and generally one of the best action movies ever.
There is a batch of very powerful moments, that can be interpreted in more than one level and this is what makes that film something more than an action movie.
Now the final interpretation:
Nevertheless, it was a great overall watch, I already feel to watch it again and this is rather a good sign
The characters and dialogues are not too much developed and the performances are poor. DiCaprio's performance is lamentable, per se. It's impressive though, that such a mediocre actor succeed to attract the audiences, it's a kind of talent as well, I suggest. Despite the fact of its length, I had the impression that the movie should me a bit more developed; everything seems to happen very quickly until the 'dream-team' gets into the plane. And the role of Ariadne,
I mean her role as an architect, wasn't justified enough. Only her name was, as she helped with her presence DiCaprio to escape (?) from his labyrinth.
the 10 years duration that supposed to have dream-diving to the level 3. Or, how it's possible the friends of DiCaprio to not have realize his major issue with his wife projections, since they used to dream together? And why the hell he can not return to his country? Yes, his wife sent some letters but nothing was proven...
Having seen the very tight scripted Memento and considering that he was working the script almost 8 years, plus the huge success and it's current ranking in imdb, I was expecting something even better and surely more tight.
Yet the result wasn't disappointing at all. The script with all its holes, still remains a brilliant idea and concept and its execution was fantastic! Some of the best-ever action scenes I've seen and generally one of the best action movies ever.
There is a batch of very powerful moments, that can be interpreted in more than one level and this is what makes that film something more than an action movie.
Most notably when Cobb reveals to Ariadne that he had performed Inception to his wife, terrific!
Now the final interpretation:
During the film I was really hoping for a non-happy end and Nolan he partly satisfied my desire, by giving an end that virtually can be interpreted in both ways. But the truth is that DiCaprio didn't make it.
I doubt it. First of all the fact that he's never in the dream does not mean that he cannot be a happy projection.
Second, the spinning top never drops. Third, there's nowhere an indication that he's the architect, except if DiCaprio met him in a dream already. And four, the totem is relative not to the architect but to the person who's dreaming and it's DiCaprio's totem, not his.
Wiki said:
I doubt it. First of all the fact that he's never in the dream does not mean that he cannot be a happy projection.
Second, the spinning top never drops. Third, there's nowhere an indication that he's the architect, except if DiCaprio met him in a dream already. And four, the totem is relative not to the architect but to the person who's dreaming and it's DiCaprio's totem, not his.
Nevertheless, it was a great overall watch, I already feel to watch it again and this is rather a good sign
valacirca
Trooper
I haven't talked about Inception in a while after talking about it so much when I first saw it. But I'll take a crack at this...
Anyway, I loved the film. Possibly my favorite film of all-time. So layered and filled with originality and intellect and things that people can discuss for years. True genius.
- Inception does have a lot of holes. It leaves a lot for the viewer to figure out and fill up, a lot like how a dreamer doesn't entirely remember a dream when he wakes up: It has a lot of holes and a lot of details to fill up. Yet, what Nolan leaves us with is balanced enough to completely satisfy the themes in his narrative while leaving us with a lot of things to think and talk about.
- DiCaprio was once one of my most hated actors. Ever since Gangs of New York, he's constantly been improving. I don't think he has either made a bad movie or turned in a bad performance since then. He was brilliant in Blood Diamond and was really good in Inception.
- While a lot of people are so wrapped in whether the ending was a dream or not (I'm leaning towards "it's not"), most are overlooking the more important aspect of it that either way, it's clear that to finally see the faces of his children ended up being all Cobb cared for and he was no longer trapped with the guilt of his wife's death. Whether or not he was dreaming, it was clear that Cobb really didn't give a rat's ass anymore and has already moved on to reunite with his children.
- Also, I think the cut at the end it also a metaphor for dreaming in that our dreams end abruptly and without resolution.
- I don't get your point about the 10-years/Level 3 thing... sorry... kindly explain? Regarding the wife, I don't think any of team members encountered Cobb's wife in the dream-state, which is why only Ariadne knew of that issue. And he couldn't come home to America because he was the prime suspect in his wife's death.
- DiCaprio was once one of my most hated actors. Ever since Gangs of New York, he's constantly been improving. I don't think he has either made a bad movie or turned in a bad performance since then. He was brilliant in Blood Diamond and was really good in Inception.
- While a lot of people are so wrapped in whether the ending was a dream or not (I'm leaning towards "it's not"), most are overlooking the more important aspect of it that either way, it's clear that to finally see the faces of his children ended up being all Cobb cared for and he was no longer trapped with the guilt of his wife's death. Whether or not he was dreaming, it was clear that Cobb really didn't give a rat's ass anymore and has already moved on to reunite with his children.
- Also, I think the cut at the end it also a metaphor for dreaming in that our dreams end abruptly and without resolution.
- I don't get your point about the 10-years/Level 3 thing... sorry... kindly explain? Regarding the wife, I don't think any of team members encountered Cobb's wife in the dream-state, which is why only Ariadne knew of that issue. And he couldn't come home to America because he was the prime suspect in his wife's death.
Anyway, I loved the film. Possibly my favorite film of all-time. So layered and filled with originality and intellect and things that people can discuss for years. True genius.
snake plissken
Ancient Mariner
I'll play devil's advocate. I found Inception dull, annoying, repetitive and way too long. That bint from Juno spent the WHOLE MOVIE asking questions we already knew the answers to. My particular favourite moment was when she said, "Who's dream are we invading now?" 
If Leo hadn't been on top of his game I'd have fallen asleep. Hugely overrated. 2/5.
If Leo hadn't been on top of his game I'd have fallen asleep. Hugely overrated. 2/5.
____no5
Free Man
valacirca said:
Sympathetic figure, never hated him. Actually he has a certain ability to attract the audience, an aura. But I never saw an outstanding performance of him...
In fact I believe that he never managed to wake up the Japanese and he too, has been lost in the dream. He found his children, yes but inside his dream. Also his father was in Paris, wasn't he?? How he moved that quick in US?? But the biggest indication is the totem that while during the whole film was falling directly, in the final scene just didn't...
1. 10 hours (of flight) equals 10 years of dream action. In the first level, 5 minutes of earth time is one hour in the dream world. 10 hours in the 3rd level are 10 years of dream time, it was clearly mentioned during their planning...
2. He was dreaming together with his mates for a long time, so how is possible that they never saw any projections of hers?? Doesn't make too much sense... Ariadne saw the projections in the very first dream, so why his mates couldn't during all their dream sessions before the actual story begins?
3. Again no sense: There were no evidences against him, except the letters of his wife who, was officially declared CRAZY by 3 different doctors, so not the most reliable person to put him in jail!! It's not normal to leave his children for a case he could easily win...
valacirca said:
I can see that, yet I say it could be even more genius.
Anyway, maybe I'm just jealous; I'm writing a poem story, some 12 years now. Since 2003, the story includes Ariadne, dream projections of humans , stories & landscapes below the surface of the earth (the main character is sleeping in a boat) and -you can imagine, I guess- during the film I felt during that Nolan has stolen my dreams!! But if it's true that he's writing the story since 2001, then who knows, maybe it's me that has stolen his...
Or, even better, nobody has stolen nobody, we both 'found' something that already exists. America was there before Colombus right?? And before him were the Vikings and who knows who before them right??
Or, even better, nobody has stolen nobody, we both 'found' something that already exists. America was there before Colombus right?? And before him were the Vikings and who knows who before them right??
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
snake plissken said:I'll play devil's advocate. I found Inception dull, annoying, repetitive and way too long. That bint from Juno spent the WHOLE MOVIE asking questions we already knew the answers to. My particular favourite moment was when she said, "Who's dream are we invading now?"
AGREED! It really only got kind of interesting when they get on the plane and try to invade the scarecrow's dream...
valacirca said:
again... AGREED! Though my respect for him goes back to The Man with the Iron Mask. Let's face it, after Romeo and Juliet and Titanic, this was a nice change of direction where he actually had to act...
valacirca
Trooper
chris nolan thinks all of your inception theories are stupid
When the film cuts to black, you can hear the top topple over (as mentioned above).
It did______no5 said:
When the film cuts to black, you can hear the top topple over (as mentioned above).
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
What if it was a dradle instead of a top? Would that mean that Cobb's Jewishness was what gave him the inner strength to push through it all despite the odds? Or what if in the real world it was a top, but IN HIS DREAMS it was a dradle? Made of clay? Would it mean that he's a sucker for punishment as he secretly, desperately wants to belong and his subconscious chose a united, yet persecuted people? WHAT, I TELL YOU, DOES THAT MEAN?! NOBODY KNOWS!... Except NPR, yeeeeeaaahh 
snake plissken
Ancient Mariner
valacirca said:chris nolan thinks all of your inception theories are stupid
It did
I think his movie is stupid so I guess that makes us even
____no5
Free Man
@val: Not convinced.
This is the most important, in deed. Great point!
Nolan play no5's advocate here. Yes. With the given data, this I understand: they make their dream world, where he finds his children but not his wife. Also note, that the Japanese was dead in the 3rd level, it was clearly mentioned that once dead there you can't go back, so how the hell Cobb resurrected him? And how he passed to the 4th level without any drug? And what was the kick that brought him back 4 levels up? You don't have the answers val. Neither has Nolan, if that matters
In any case I don't care too much about what Nolan says (I just used his quote, since you put it there), I only care about the keys which can be found inside the film: Cobb is in his dream world with his aged children. Yes aged. In Inception, one do age (as he and his wife became old couple) and one change clothes, as his wife does, all the time!
We never see it falling, the noise is from its changing of trajectory, which can be explained from the greatness of the moment. Notice that during the film the totem falls almost immediately, all the time. When he does inception to his wife and puts it in the closet, it turns eternally. Here we have a middle situation, which can be explained cause his dream world has no ghosts now, so it's more similar to real.
valacirca said:
This is the most important, in deed. Great point!
Nolan play no5's advocate here. Yes. With the given data, this I understand: they make their dream world, where he finds his children but not his wife. Also note, that the Japanese was dead in the 3rd level, it was clearly mentioned that once dead there you can't go back, so how the hell Cobb resurrected him? And how he passed to the 4th level without any drug? And what was the kick that brought him back 4 levels up? You don't have the answers val. Neither has Nolan, if that matters
In any case I don't care too much about what Nolan says (I just used his quote, since you put it there), I only care about the keys which can be found inside the film: Cobb is in his dream world with his aged children. Yes aged. In Inception, one do age (as he and his wife became old couple) and one change clothes, as his wife does, all the time!
It did
We never see it falling, the noise is from its changing of trajectory, which can be explained from the greatness of the moment. Notice that during the film the totem falls almost immediately, all the time. When he does inception to his wife and puts it in the closet, it turns eternally. Here we have a middle situation, which can be explained cause his dream world has no ghosts now, so it's more similar to real.
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
Since there was quite some talk about Polansky lately, and since his latest film was seen and discussed, the following news suits well:
Roman Polanski triumphs at European Film Awards
Roman Polanski's thriller The Ghost Writer was the toast of the European Film Awards, winning six prizes including best film and best director.
The 77-year-old did not attend the ceremony in Estonia, appearing instead via internet video software Skype.
"You have rewarded a truly European venture," he said from his Paris home.
Scotland's Ewan McGregor was named best actor for his role in the film as a writer hired to "ghost" the memoirs of a former British prime minister.
The Trainspotting star sent a pre-recorded message from the Thailand set of his latest project asking anyone who knew him at the event to contact him if he won.
"I'll be asleep when the award is presented and it'd be great to find out I've won when I wake up," the 39-year-old continued.
As well as receiving the director prize, Polanski was also honoured for the screenplay he co-wrote with British novelist Robert Harris.
Other prizes for The Ghost Writer - released as The Ghost in the UK - came for its music score and production design.
Polanski was working on the film at the time of his arrest in Switzerland last year on a US arrest warrant relating to his 1977 conviction for unlawful sex with a 13-year-old girl.
The Rosemary's Baby director spent nine months in jail and under house arrest before Swiss authorities decided, in July, not to extradite him to the US, where he remains a wanted man.
Post-production trauma
Polanski's awards were accepted at the ceremony in Tallinn by The Ghost Writer's British co-producer Timothy Burrill.
"Obviously I'm thrilled for Roman," he told the BBC News website after the event in Estonia's chilly capital city.
"He went through a period of trauma during post-production on the film, and the fact he was editing it from jail did not make it any easier."
However, Burrill played down the suggestion that The Ghost Writer's success represented a vote of solidarity for Polanski following his recent legal travails.
"I don't think people think like that," he said. "I think people just like the film."
His sentiments were echoed by its German production designer Albrecht Konrad, who said Polanski's movie was "a film first of all, a piece of craftsmanship".
"I wouldn't say yes and I wouldn't say no," he said when asked whether off-screen events had swayed the voting. "That's not for me to answer."
British nominations
The Ghost Writer had been nominated for eight awards in all, more than any other title at this year's gala.
The other main recipient was Israeli war film Lebanon, which was presented with a prize for its cinematography and a "discovery" award for its writer-director Samuel Moaz.
Britain's Lesley Manville missed out on the best actress prize for her performance in Mike Leigh's Another Year, a gong won last year by her compatriot Kate Winslet for The Reader.
Lifetime achievement honours went to German actor Bruno Ganz and the Lebanese composer Gabriel Yared.
The latter, best known for his collaborations with Anthony Minghella, received his prize from the late director's widow Carolyn Choa and French actress Juliette Binoche.
The prize for European animated feature film went to The Illusionist, a UK-French co-production about a French conjuror on tour in Scotland.
Presented annually by the European Film Academy, the awards are decided by its 2,300 members and were first staged in 1988.
Next year's awards will be held in Berlin, with Valetta in Malta confirmed as the host city for the 2012 event.
Polanski's use of Skype was welcomed by locals, the popular application having initially been developed by a trio of Estonian programmers.
The ceremony was co-hosted by German comedienne Anke Engelke and Estonian actor Mart Avandi.
Roman Polanski triumphs at European Film Awards
Roman Polanski's thriller The Ghost Writer was the toast of the European Film Awards, winning six prizes including best film and best director.
The 77-year-old did not attend the ceremony in Estonia, appearing instead via internet video software Skype.
"You have rewarded a truly European venture," he said from his Paris home.
Scotland's Ewan McGregor was named best actor for his role in the film as a writer hired to "ghost" the memoirs of a former British prime minister.
The Trainspotting star sent a pre-recorded message from the Thailand set of his latest project asking anyone who knew him at the event to contact him if he won.
"I'll be asleep when the award is presented and it'd be great to find out I've won when I wake up," the 39-year-old continued.
As well as receiving the director prize, Polanski was also honoured for the screenplay he co-wrote with British novelist Robert Harris.
Other prizes for The Ghost Writer - released as The Ghost in the UK - came for its music score and production design.
Polanski was working on the film at the time of his arrest in Switzerland last year on a US arrest warrant relating to his 1977 conviction for unlawful sex with a 13-year-old girl.
The Rosemary's Baby director spent nine months in jail and under house arrest before Swiss authorities decided, in July, not to extradite him to the US, where he remains a wanted man.
Post-production trauma
Polanski's awards were accepted at the ceremony in Tallinn by The Ghost Writer's British co-producer Timothy Burrill.
"Obviously I'm thrilled for Roman," he told the BBC News website after the event in Estonia's chilly capital city.
"He went through a period of trauma during post-production on the film, and the fact he was editing it from jail did not make it any easier."
However, Burrill played down the suggestion that The Ghost Writer's success represented a vote of solidarity for Polanski following his recent legal travails.
"I don't think people think like that," he said. "I think people just like the film."
His sentiments were echoed by its German production designer Albrecht Konrad, who said Polanski's movie was "a film first of all, a piece of craftsmanship".
"I wouldn't say yes and I wouldn't say no," he said when asked whether off-screen events had swayed the voting. "That's not for me to answer."
British nominations
The Ghost Writer had been nominated for eight awards in all, more than any other title at this year's gala.
The other main recipient was Israeli war film Lebanon, which was presented with a prize for its cinematography and a "discovery" award for its writer-director Samuel Moaz.
Britain's Lesley Manville missed out on the best actress prize for her performance in Mike Leigh's Another Year, a gong won last year by her compatriot Kate Winslet for The Reader.
Lifetime achievement honours went to German actor Bruno Ganz and the Lebanese composer Gabriel Yared.
The latter, best known for his collaborations with Anthony Minghella, received his prize from the late director's widow Carolyn Choa and French actress Juliette Binoche.
The prize for European animated feature film went to The Illusionist, a UK-French co-production about a French conjuror on tour in Scotland.
Presented annually by the European Film Academy, the awards are decided by its 2,300 members and were first staged in 1988.
Next year's awards will be held in Berlin, with Valetta in Malta confirmed as the host city for the 2012 event.
Polanski's use of Skype was welcomed by locals, the popular application having initially been developed by a trio of Estonian programmers.
The ceremony was co-hosted by German comedienne Anke Engelke and Estonian actor Mart Avandi.
snake plissken
Ancient Mariner
Harry Potter 7. Meh. 5/10.
snake plissken
Ancient Mariner
Rare Exports: A Christmas Tale. it really is difficult to know where to start with this. The clip led one to believe that it'd be a hilarious and horrific take on Christmas with Santy as the main villain...Should've been golden but was absolute garbage 0/5. 
____no5
Free Man
Hey Snake, do you realize that you haven't post positively for a film almost a month now? (15/11) It's funny to see you whining though (no offense)
(no offense)snake plissken said:
snake plissken said:I think his movie is stupid so I guess that makes us even
snake plissken said:I'll play devil's advocate. I found Inception dull, annoying, repetitive and way too long. That bint from Juno spent the WHOLE MOVIE asking questions we already knew the answers to. My particular favourite moment was when she said, "Who's dream are we invading now?"
snake plissken said: