Maiden United

Discussion in 'Maiden Chat' started by Arista666, Sep 24, 2011.

  1. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    They used a guest vocalist for this song live even though they could be seen rehearsing the song with Damian in one of the clips they uploaded to Youtube. Strange.
  2. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

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  3. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    I remember that post, guess I glossed over the note about Wudstik. Hope this single lives up to the Wilson recordings!
  4. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    I really like the Mind the Acoustic Pieces and Across the Seventh Sea, but must admit I found Remembrance underwhelming.

    I have just listened to the Empire of the Clouds EP (Spotify). It is nicely done, but the singer is certainly not up to Damian Wilson's level (the accent is slightly off-putting too). I wonder why they did not record this with Damian; perhaps things are not going swimmingly with him.

    Anyway, I would probably buy a physical copy of the EP to complete the collection.
  5. Randalf

    Randalf Ancient Mariner

    I pretty much agree. Strange World is pretty amazing though and Futureal is another outstanding arrangement; nothing too tricky, but very effective and Blaze nails it there. But otherwise, it's not quite as amazing record as it's predecessor(s).
  6. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

  7. Black Wizard

    Black Wizard Cereal Litigator

    They have a couple of shows in London next year. One in March and another at the Cart & Horses, the scene of a Maidenfans gathering last year. I may go to one if I still live close to London.
  8. Travis The Dragon

    Travis The Dragon Rob Halford=Metal God/Bruce Dickinson=God Of Metal

  9. evil_ash

    evil_ash Trooper

    Wow, I just listened to the ep. Amazing version of the song. For the first time I consider a cover to be superior to the original Maiden recording. They have put so much effort into this release, brilliantly melding the music with story telling. Wudstik sounds fantastic too! So much emotion in his vocals.
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  10. Diesel 11

    Diesel 11 As you scream into the web of silence...

    Well, as you all probably know by this point, I'm probably the biggest (or at least most outspoken) fan of "Empire of the Clouds" on this entire forum. I consider it one the pinnacles of human creativity and certainly the finest song ever written and recorded. So when @Travis The Dragon posted in the commentary thread that Maiden uniteD had made a 40-minute cover of it, I was all ears. Well... he was actually wrong. While the entire EP may indeed be over 40 minutes in length, the actual cover is merely 23 minutes and 38 seconds. Still longer than the original, but not nearly as epic as I was hoping for.

    The cover isn't bad by any means. There's a lot there that I love - production, performance, all top notch - and I'll probably be going back to it again in future. The vocalist isn't perfect but he does a pretty great job. All the instruments sound lovely, and the narrator does a fantastic job. But... the cover itself is missing stuff. The narration pieces, while good, make it seem less of a song and more of a story with some music leading it. Not a bad thing necessarily, but it does hurt it in this case. The start and stop motion also detracts from it as well. There's also far to much stuff placed at the beginning, to the point where there's such an imbalance that the ending seems kinda bland.

    But the most serious flaw of the cover is that they skipped all of the long instrumental section so crucial to the original epic. There's entirely too much stuff going on to just plainly leave it out, and yet they did it anyway. Where the song should have been growing and maturing and building until the crash when the storm hits, we just get it all eliminated, and go from the airship rising to "hey look a storm now whewwwww". There's so much build-up going on in the first 14 minutes it's outright stupid to just completely leave out the instrumental section. Doing so hurts the song and makes it seem far less impactful than it could have been. Should've just made it the 40 minute wonder that Travis was talking about, and I'd probably actually like it a lot more, despite the narration chopping it up in bits.

    There's a lot of stuff the cover gets right, but there's just too much it gets wrong that it ends up falling flat. Interesting, maybe, but it comes off feeling like an outright failure when success was just so close in grasp. Had they left in the instrumental, this could have likely been on par with the original. Alas, it must instead be rounded down to a 5/10 - average, and in no way on the level of the original. I'm rather sad now. :(

    (Cover is superb though. In that aspect they did top Maiden.)
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  11. Travis The Dragon

    Travis The Dragon Rob Halford=Metal God/Bruce Dickinson=God Of Metal

    I actually have not gotten around to listening yet, however, because of your review Diesel, I have lowered my expectations so it will be very interesting to see what I think. I just have to remember to check it out soon.
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  12. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    I saw it live and it was very, very good.
    Superior in fact.
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  13. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

  14. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    You have summed up my thoughts quite nicely. :)

    This is what I posted back in June:

    And here we are, nearly 4 months later and I have not bought a physical copy of the EP yet and I am in no hurry to do it. I guess that shows I have not been particularly impressed by their cover. Sadly, I should add, as I found their first two albums of acoustic covers to be excellent.
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  15. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    Well, it seems that Damian Wilson will not be singing with Maiden United on their forthcoming dates. Instead they'll have Frank Beck (Gamma Ray). Based on the clip they have posted, I think I'll pass.

    The reaction from Frank Beck to the criticism is fairly pathetic...

    :lol: :lol:
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2019
  16. NickosRightFoot

    NickosRightFoot Prowler

    Really looking forward to seeing them at Burrfest in March. Amongst others, their version of Remember Tomorrow is absolutely immense!
  17. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    Please be aware that they would not have Damian Wilson on vocals...
  18. NickosRightFoot

    NickosRightFoot Prowler

    Yeah just noticed that reading back a bit. A shame but it should still be a good day, the venues a 5 min walk from my house so it would be rude not to.
  19. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    It isn't that bad.
  20. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    Damian Wilson > Wudstik >> the bloke from Gamma Ray who cannot handle being criticised online and would be singing with Maiden United this year. :D

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