Maiden Albums: Head to Head

Vote for your favourite song from each pair


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I agree. I find 'Empire of the Clouds' to be overblown. If it were half the length I'd enjoy it a lot more. It's very representative of Iron Maiden's approach to song writing since 'A Matter of Life and Death': everything has to be long. Thirty years ago 'Empire' would have been nine minutes long, and 'The Red and the Black' six. Some self-editing would come in handy.
I mainly consider it painfully undercooked. It suffered from the TBoS improvisational approach the most. And yeah, overblown for sure, it would make such a decent 10-12 minute song. I don't buy the argument about storytelling at all - how the music itself apparently takes you on a journey. It doesn't sound cinematic to me. The Legacy does (particularly the first 3 minutes). Or the middle section of RotAM for that matter. Meanwhile, the majority of EotC sounds like a couple of mediocre riffs slapped together. Great melodies, great concept and lyrics - the overall execution not so much.
 
No Prayer vs Unknown was the only one I couldn’t make a decision on.
No Prayer IMO is the only great song on an otherwise solid, consistent album.
But Unknown is excellent and very underrated
 
'When the River Runs Deep' is a good song actually. It seems to get overlooked on its album due to the mammoths it's surrounded by.
 
Fates Warning's defeat is astonishing. From that particular opponent! Aaargh.
Do people still know how it goes?
I'm actually in complete agreement here. Fates Warning is one of the few bright spots on No Prayer, but it's genuinely really good. River is easily the worst song on BoS.
 
Nooo, I missed the voting :P I can see my choices wouldn't have many any difference anyway, though.

If anyone's interested, I would have went with:

Tailgunner vs If Eternity Should Fail (though Tailgunner is awesome)
Holy Smoke vs Speed of Light
No Prayer vs The Great Unknown
Public Enema vs The Red and the Black
Fates Warning
vs When the River Runs Deep
The Assassin vs The Book of Souls
Run Silent vs Death or Glory
Hooks in You vs Shadows of the Valley (Shadows is the weakest on TBOS, but still better than Hooks by far)
Bring Your Daughter vs Tears of a Clown
Kill Me Ce Soir vs The Man of Sorrows
Mother Russia vs Empire of the Clouds (both song start great, then moves to parts that feels undercooked, but Empire finishes strongly, so it gets a vote)
 
I'm actually in complete agreement here. Fates Warning is one of the few bright spots on No Prayer, but it's genuinely really good. River is easily the worst song on BoS.
I disagree. People call Empire undeveloped, but I think Fates Warning is even worse. A few nice moments can’t save it from being one of Maiden’s most mediocre songs.

WTRRD is a fun song, much better.
 
Fates Warning:
Steve is really playing so many nice bass patterns, enriched with short and fast high notes. I can't get enough of his vital contribution. It's almost as he did twice his best to come up with something good, maybe the change in the line-up stimulated him extra? Don't get me wrong, I love his bass playing on the previous albums as well, but this heavy stimulating playing is really carrying the songs to a higher level. The solo parts are nice (also the rhythm parts underneath) but the harmony is even better.
Top 40 Maiden song.


When the River Runs Deep:
This is certainly either the worst either the one but worst song for me, from this album. And it also sits very low in the entire catalogue. I find the vocals hard to bear and the chorus monotone: its weakness comes across after a few repetitions. In the last rounds, Nicko's loud slamming on his ride cymbal does not sit well (irritatingly dominant). I am not particularly fond of Dave's solo. I've started to like Adrian's solo more now! The instrumental part reminds me of Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger, including Muppet drums (even worse). Overall not the most imaginative song they've done (understatement). Nicko leaves out so many bassdrums (lots of measures without bass drums even) that it sounds... as if he can't play fast anymore. Just handwork, too little footwork. This isn't jazz!
Bottom 5 Maiden album song.
 
I find the vocals hard to bear and the chorus monotone: its weakness comes across after a few repetitions. In the last rounds, Nicko's loud slamming on his ride cymbal does not sit well (irritatingly dominant). I am not particularly fond of Dave's solo. I've started to like Adrian's solo more now!

The instrumental part reminds me of Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger, including Muppet drums (even worse). Overall not the most imaginative song they've done (understatement).
Nicko leaves out so many bassdrums (lots of measures without bass drums even) that it sounds... as if he can't play fast anymore. Just handwork, too little footwork. This isn't jazz!
Nice to see all the classics coming back Foro. :)
 
When the River Runs Deep is seriously my favorite song on Book of Souls. Gone are the repetitive riffs that go on for bars too long--the tempo changes come and go in a natural flow--that weigh down so many songs from Where Eagles Dare and on. The chorus and bridge actually have different words in them (i.e., the chorus is not When the River Runs Deep eight times in a row). The solos rip and the flourishes within the verse and throughout the song are compelling. Bruce is not perfect, but his delivery has a snarl and the delivery runs across the melody, rather than trying to keep up with punishing riff (see the song Book of Souls). Nicko's drumming is on fire and the cowbell is a nice flourish. In short, what I live about When the River Runs Deep (and this extends to another song semi-marginalized by Maidenfans: El Dorado) is that it sounds alive, like a breathing animal, straining against its bounds, to lurch out and destroy...(check the lyrics)...fish.

Fates Warning is one of those songs that I hear people too often say, "it's overlooked, seriously have you even heard it lately, or try it again, it's really under-appreciated." I literally can't even remember the song without listening to it (which I do every time these debates come up) and even then I forget what it sounds like within days. And I bought No Prayer for the Dying on the day it was released (before noon, because I was so excited for it).
 
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