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Dr. Eddies Wingman

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Id say football fans all over Europe are well aware of it. In the UK and Ireland, any anniversaries and the recent inquest were headline news, not just sports news. The Sun newspaper blamed the victims back in the day and there are still shops that wont sell that paper, particularly in Liverpool.
I dont find it strange that you, as an American, dont know about it but I would assume that most Europeans here know of it, or at least those of a certain age and/or football fans.
I was only 7 when it happened, but those who are a few years older than me remember it very well.

The way the aftermath of the disaster was treated is disgraceful. Not only the coverage from The Sun :puke: but the way the police tried to cover up the fact they had a lot of blame.
 

Diesel 11

As you scream into the web of silence...
What are some other events of the same caliber that are really famous in Europe but a typical American probably wouldn't have heard of it? Not necessarily solely human crushes or sporting incidents, but with the same 'infamy' / 'iconic status'.
 

Perun

Dominus et deus
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What are some other events of the same caliber that are really famous in Europe but a typical American probably wouldn't have heard of it? Not necessarily solely human crushes or sporting incidents, but with the same 'infamy' / 'iconic status'.

That's a toughie to answer. When you mean 'infamy'/'iconic' status, can you maybe provide some examples from America that you're thinking of in compare to this status?
 

Perun

Dominus et deus
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Or are you just thinking of generally traumatic events, including bombings, accidents, stampede, etc.?
 

Diesel 11

As you scream into the web of silence...
The Heysel Drama in Brussels in 1985. :(
Actually read about this in conjunction with Hillsborough. Absolutely crazy.

Yeah, never heard of that one before. What's the event's status in Sweden currently? In the US the assassinations of Kennedy and Lincoln are ones just about everyone knows about; McKinley's and Garfield's, in contrast, are really more like 'fun facts' you read about in a history book. And assassination attempts are about on the same level of obscurity, bar maybe Reagan's, but it also doesn't seem to be that well known these days.

The Chernobyl nuclear disaster.

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Okay, that one we do know about! I don't know to what extent, but it's definitely something that's still "prevalent" in the public mindset.
 

Perun

Dominus et deus
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Yeah, along this line (but not necessarily ruling out good events, if there are any).

I assume you're familiar with the hostage crisis at the 1972 Munich Olympics?

Some really big ones that spring to mind would be the 1980 Bologna Bombing and the 2004 Madrid train bombings, because all these I think had some 9/11 level impact on Europe as a whole.

For Germany in particular, some iconic things I suggest you look into include:

Uprisings in East Germany on 17 June 1953

West Germany winning the 1954 Football World Cup - obviously a positive event, it's arguably the single most important moment in German sports history and had ramifications for Germany far outside the football pitch

Construction of the Berlin Wall on 13 August 1961

Hamburg Flood in 1962

Spiegel-Affair 1962

Kennedy's speech in West Berlin in 1963

Murder of Benno Ohnesorg on 7 June 1967 - this is a really big one, think Kent State

RAF terrorism in autumn of 1977, especially the kidnapping and murder of Hanns-Martin Schleyer

1980 Oktoberfest bombing

1988 Gladbeck hostage crisis

1988 Ramstein air show disaster

Fall of the Berlin Wall 1989 (you probably know of that one)

Nazi riots in Rostock and Hoyerswerda 1991

Eschede train crash 1998

Odra flood of 2002

2002 Erfurt rampage (first German school shooting)

2011 Love Parade stampede

2011 Stuttgart protests

Everything after that is too recent for me to evaluate the historical significance.

There's of course lots more, but these are most of the biggies.
 
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