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LooseCannon said:
As Wasted has already pointed out, it was the porn industry that killed Betamax.
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The porn industry is not (and never was) so big in the UK, but from what I recall it was price that pushed Betamax out in the UK. That said, what dictates in the US market has a serious impact to the rest of us. So if Americans wanted their porn, they got it. And out goes Beta. And HD-DVD's by the sound of it.
 
HD DVD was a dead format since the beginning, Sony would never loose another format war.

Still I'm still not amazed by Blueray movies yet.
 
LooseCannon said:
Yep, I was thinking the same way. Didn't make the purchase, but I was thinking it. Sony threw out millions and millions to win this one, though....only to lose to iTunes and Netflix.
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Yeah, I jumped the gun.  Bad part, no TOS season 2.  Good part, tons of HD DVD's available online for $5 (American).  

I am curious to see how the Blu-Ray (hi-def dvd) really works out.  I think consumers, in this era, are really into downloadable content, and not as worried about having a disc in hand.  I'm of two minds about that, but I'll far more often watch the same movie I own on netflix, because its easier to use my remote than walk across the room to look for the disc  :P
Onun said:
HD DVD was a dead format since the beginning, Sony would never loose another format war.

Still I'm still not amazed by Blueray movies yet.
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This is the problem with HD content of any sort, it requires everything be 'right'.  If you have the correct player, dvd, source material for said dvd, tv, and cabling, you get some outstanding quality (I have proof).  However, if you are lacking at any of those links, its not worth the effort.  It requires a large output of cash to get the quality they are putting out.

@Albie, yeah, I think our market drives a lot, cause we are crazy in love with our videos.  And, yes, HD DVD is dead, unfortunately.
 
I've been pondering one of the new $99 Apple TVs. Because (unlike some people here, Mega), I don't mind converting to Mpeg-4, and I would occasionally rent a movie to watch, it might be worth the money. I'd probably save money over using the computer in the front room.

Albie, the US porn industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. That's why Betamax prices skyrocketed - because when that sort of money makes a decision, it has a definitive impact. As Wasted has noted, Blu-Ray only won because Sony countered Hitashi and porn with billions of their own dollars.

Sony is still smarting from that money spent, by the way. And that's why they're pissed off at Nintendo.
 
Wasted CLV said:
This is the problem with HD content of any sort, it requires everything be 'right'.  If you have the correct player, dvd, source material for said dvd, tv, and cabling, you get some outstanding quality (I have proof).  However, if you are lacking at any of those links, its not worth the effort.  It requires a large output of cash to get the quality they are putting out.
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I have a home built cinema at home, and I tell you, I'm not amazed by Blueray yet, whether seen on projector or on TV.
Maybe it was me who was expecting too much. I actually see a bigger difference in games on HD than in movies.
 
LooseCannon said:
I've been pondering one of the new $99 Apple TVs. Because (unlike some people here, Mega), I don't mind converting to Mpeg-4, and I would occasionally rent a movie to watch, it might be worth the money. I'd probably save money over using the computer in the front room.

Albie, the US porn industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. That's why Betamax prices skyrocketed - because when that sort of money makes a decision, it has a definitive impact. As Wasted has noted, Blu-Ray only won because Sony countered Hitashi and porn with billions of their own dollars.

Sony is still smarting from that money spent, by the way. And that's why they're pissed off at Nintendo.
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I've read some about Apple TV, it sounds like a pretty slick set-up.  IIRC, when you buy your video (or whatever) you own the software, so if you lose it due to crash, deletion, whatever, you can always re-download it.  That is one thing I like vs a DVD, if you ruin the DVD, you have to buy it all over again.  


Onun said:
I have a home built cinema at home, and I tell you, I'm not amazed by Blueray yet, whether seen on projector or on TV.
Maybe it was me who was expecting too much. I actually see a bigger difference in games at HD in than movies.
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OK, the only thing I can say is I built one with HD DVD, and I can see a huge difference between a HD video and a SD one.  I haven't used anything Blu-Ray, cause I'm not buying into it yet.
 
LooseCannon said:
I don't mind converting to Mpeg-4...
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I'm OK with that to. I have a DVD recorder that plays Divx/AVI files. I get 4 movies to a standard DVD and the picture quality is more than acceptable.
 
Wasted CLV said:
OK, the only thing I can say is I built one with HD DVD, and I can see a huge difference between a HD video and a SD one.  I haven't used anything Blu-Ray, cause I'm not buying into it yet.
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Yeah you can see the differences but I was expecting a much bigger leap compared to SD, they promissed so much with Blueray that I probably was expecting too much.

Anyway they're saying Blueray will be dead in 5 years, that's weird.
 
Wasted CLV said:
I've read some about Apple TV, it sounds like a pretty slick set-up.  IIRC, when you buy your video (or whatever) you own the software, so if you lose it due to crash, deletion, whatever, you can always re-download it.  That is one thing I like vs a DVD, if you ruin the DVD, you have to buy it all over again.  
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Not true, unfortunately. When you buy a movie or song from the iTunes Store, you buy the file. However, unlike a DVD, you can make 1,000,000 copies of your iTunes purchase for backups, and have it on up to 5 computers and any amount of connected Apple-enabled devices.

So, you buy a movie from the iTunes Store, you download it, and back it up to your external HD and your laptop. One of those things fries, you restore from backup. You can try getting a lost purchase back from Apple, but they'll only make so many exceptions, and they don't have everything on the iTunes Store forever, so your file might just be gone.
 
Onun said:
Yeah you can see the differences but I was expecting a much bigger leap compared to SD, they promissed so much with Blueray that I probably was expecting too much.

Anyway they're saying Blueray will be dead in 5 years, that's weird.
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Yeah, I can get behind that with you.  Blu-Ray is having a hard time living up to their advertised quality, I'll give you that.

AS far as its impending doom, yeah, I'd buy that.  I think that DLC is spelling the death of them.  $5 dvds will always be popular at Walmart, and an easy gift, but in the near future, buying a card (like an iTunes card) and downloading any video you want with it, in what ever quality you want to purchase (and wait do download) is better.  Zune (on my xbox) offers stuff like that.

LooseCannon said:
Not true, unfortunately. When you buy a movie or song from the iTunes Store, you buy the file. However, unlike a DVD, you can make 1,000,000 copies of your iTunes purchase for backups, and have it on up to 5 computers and any amount of connected Apple-enabled devices.

So, you buy a movie from the iTunes Store, you download it, and back it up to your external HD and your laptop. One of those things fries, you restore from backup. You can try getting a lost purchase back from Apple, but they'll only make so many exceptions, and they don't have everything on the iTunes Store forever, so your file might just be gone.
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Ah, gotcha-- so you can have it all over the place, though, so its safe.  Cool!
 
Wasted CLV said:
Yeah, I can get behind that with you.  Blu-Ray is having a hard time living up to their advertised quality, I'll give you that.

Ah, gotcha-- so you can have it all over the place, though, so its safe.  Cool!
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Part of the reason Blu-Ray is having trouble living up to expectations is because films aren't being MADE in better quality. 3D recording is rare (most 3D you see in theatre is rare), and 24 fps film can't look much better than it already did. People are resistant to watching digital or 40 fps film because it's what's used for "cheap" productions.
 
1 hour ago, Southend were 1-0 down away to Hereford - and as such were third from bottom in the fourth tier of English league football. Now, two Southend goals later, they are 12th.
 
Wasted CLV said:
Yeah, I can get behind that with you.  Blu-Ray is having a hard time living up to their advertised quality, I'll give you that.

AS far as its impending doom, yeah, I'd buy that.  I think that DLC is spelling the death of them.  $5 dvds will always be popular at Walmart, and an easy gift, but in the near future, buying a card (like an iTunes card) and downloading any video you want with it, in what ever quality you want to purchase (and wait do download) is better.  Zune (on my xbox) offers stuff like that.
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I agree, sooner or latter (probably when most countries have broadband internet) digital distribution will be the way to go. It's a matter of time until the Internet speed reach certain numbers.
 
@LC, correctamundo.  The source material isn't up to the standard that the disc can produce.  So, there is a gap there.  Hopefully, someday, that will be fixed.

@Onun-- yeah, I think that even speeds won't be as much a problem, but it will make it more broadly accepted, when people can start averaging a higher speed.

On a comedic note, when my boss was talking to our ISP rep about our lines, he wrote back: "well, with your duel T1's you should be getting the speed you want". 

Yeah, I guess that we have dueling T1's... as opposed to having 2 of them.  :lol:
 
Just watched live broadcast of the Labour leader vote (do they really have to drag it on?). So, within the next five years, Ed Milliband may well be the next Prime Minister.
 
TFF doesn't have any "Woah oh oh oh" parts (think Fear of the Dark, The Clansman, These Colours Don't Run, etc) first time since NPFTD by my reckoning?

Edit: Actually I don't think DoD did either. I thought Journeyman did but apparently it doesn't. Move along, nothing to see.

Edit 2: I'm having to listen to Rainmaker, DoD and PFD just to make sure that they haven't suddenly developed woah parts since I last listened to them. Strictly professional, I'm sure you'll understand.
 
TFF does have woah oh oh parts. At the end of TMWWBK
and on DOD it's on Face in the Sand
 
See. That is how much I suck. Anyway, I'm listening to the album which is master of the "woah oh oh oh's" - Brave New World. Good stuff.
Ah, those woahs hardly count as woahs, no wonder I missed them!
 
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