KISS

I think KISS is probably best compared to a good musical. There are musical people that can suspend their disbelief and go on and on about a musical that has this superb lighting, stage setup, musical numbers, great acting, the whole nine, but to someone that’s not into musicals, how are they suppose to care that this musical is the greatest of all time? That’s how I feel about KISS. There’s a part of my brain that can suspend the disbelief and sit there are really enjoy their music, albums and image. I actually think some of their 80’s albums are my favorite - especially Asylum. There’s just something about that macho/sex driven tongue in cheek rock/metal from that time. Yeah it’s corny but so is Cats probably - Uh! All Night and Rise to It are two of my favorites from that time.
 
I think KISS is probably best compared to a good musical. There are musical people that can suspend their disbelief and go on and on about a musical that has this superb lighting, stage setup, musical numbers, great acting, the whole nine, but to someone that’s not into musicals, how are they suppose to care that this musical is the greatest of all time? That’s how I feel about KISS. There’s a part of my brain that can suspend the disbelief and sit there are really enjoy their music, albums and image. I actually think some of their 80’s albums are my favorite - especially Asylum. There’s just something about that macho/sex driven tongue in cheek rock/metal from that time. Yeah it’s corny but so is Cats probably - Uh! All Night and Rise to It are two of my favorites from that time.

As someone hugely into opera and - consequently - musical theatre as well, I'm really striving to get the comparison, but I admit it's an intriguing one and I suppose I kinda get what you mean.
As for the overtuned machismo, I'm more of an AC/DC ("she's using her head again"), Manowar (the sword drenched in blood, lol) and ZZ Top (for all the pearl necklaces and such); Kiss feel really "fake", in a way, very artificial (in a way good opera never should), but I understand that it's just me.

But considering they had a plurality of songwriters and singers, I admit they have certain songwriting charm that some other bands seem to lack.
 
The raunchy KISS stuff from the 80s ("Let's Put The X In Sex" LMAO) as Judas mentioned was totally artificial. Trying desperately to muscle in on Mötley Crue's territory (and failing, since by this point they had removed the makeup and everyone could see that they were just fugly old men).

Crazy Nights was their best 80s song imo. Or maybe God Gave Rock n' Roll.
 
As someone hugely into opera and - consequently - musical theatre as well, I'm really striving to get the comparison, but I admit it's an intriguing one and I suppose I kinda get what you mean.
As for the overtuned machismo, I'm more of an AC/DC ("she's using her head again"), Manowar (the sword drenched in blood, lol) and ZZ Top (for all the pearl necklaces and such); Kiss feel really "fake", in a way, very artificial (in a way good opera never should), but I understand that it's just me.

But considering they had a plurality of songwriters and singers, I admit they have certain songwriting charm that some other bands seem to lack
Admittedly I typed that out during some downtime at work, I didn’t explain my point properly. With musicals and opera, I think the suspension of disbelief it takes to “buy-in” to what you’re seeing is pretty high. Being in the presence of actors on a stage that is front of you and pushing aside that they’re actors on a stage to take in a story or an emotional beat I think is hard for some. KISS probably isn’t this high brow, but their sound and image is so unbelievable that I think a lot of people never bought in. And again they’re not high brow, in fact quite the opposite, it’s hard to take them seriously. I think that’s where the suspension of disbelief comes in with KISS. Simply put, there are some people that can buy-in to KISS and there’s those that can’t. There’s nothing wrong either way.

There’s a lot of KISS hate out there, and a lot of it is warranted. There are points about their music being made in here that I disagree with, but I’m not going to convince someone that doesn’t like KISS that they’re missing out on anything. I think if KISS didn’t capture your imagination when you were younger, I don’t believe they have it in them to capture a fully developed brain.
 
Or maybe God Gave Rock n' Roll.

I'm torn on this, I like the song in the original Argent version for its melody (although it emanates a kind of pathos I don't exactly appreciate - for someone as driven by nostalgia and Romanticism, this exact mood that feels like pot-bellied Dads reminiscing of their glory days I find rather distasteful) and the Kiss cover makes sense and suits them, but also feels so very dumb-dumb-dumb again.

Again, these people
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should always make sure and take precautions that everything they do will be slightly tongue-in-cheek, it would make everything so much more palatable.
(doesn't matter two of those were not in the band nor did they use make-up around that time)

In fact that is why I kinda mentioned those three other bands, ZZ Top and AC/DC are obviously tongue-in-cheek and while Manowar try to pose as hyper-serious, it's just inconceivable they'd really mean it. And they're better off for it.
For me, this is represented with Simmons trying to be "The Demon" (lol) on talk shows, scowling and trying to talk about the "moozik and artistry", like a fat CEO in a suit with a fat cigar trying to promote the label and the product without any hint of self-awareness, let alone self-irony - but here also while being dressed as "The Demon".

Every time the sense of perspective and certain grounded-ness shines through (and especially in that video Sheriff posted, where Simmons actually cracks and laughs), it elevates the band for me. Especially as it is one of the ways (along with downright bizarre, but eventually respectable decisions like Music from the Elder) the band can actually escape the corporate mindset that Simmons especially seems to have from the start.

(I realise this might be an unexpected take from me, since I am tired of the post-modern insincerity in everything, of the "Marvelisation" of cinema, of irony and everything else that protects cowardly artist from sincerity and having to actually engage emotions and such.
But with Kiss, it's necessary.)

God Gave Rock N Roll is an attempt at... well... pathos. By Kiss. And I don't know myself whether I consider it good or extreme cringe.

I think if KISS didn’t capture your imagination when you were younger, I don’t believe they have it in them to capture a fully developed brain.

For what it's worth, having suffered from reading seven and a half books by Sapkowski (some of them several times, as I repeatedly couldn't finish the series and started over), in the realm of "overrated dumb things that you can only properly like if you discover it when you're 13 - and then you become weirdly obsessed with it", Kiss are actually rather high-brow, enjoyable, respectable and overall exceptional and admirable in my book.

As someone who discovered them only as an adult, I see a band with obvious songwriting talent (at least potentially; not always utilised well), professional output (in terms of production and ... well, competent instrumental presentation) and somewhat original shtick/identity, with their overall career slanting toward mediocrity at best (and I wish they concentrated on their strong sides more), but in general, while I don't get the extremes (extreme love / extreme hate), I think the band should be universally mildly liked. Which is more than I can say about a lot of other bands.
 
I haven’t had a chance to do some research, but the official date given for Peter’s dismissal has been disputed before. I was wrong though that the Tom Snyder interview occurred after the dynasty tour - they toured through December that year.
 
The raunchy KISS stuff from the 80s ("Let's Put The X In Sex" LMAO) as Judas mentioned was totally artificial. Trying desperately to muscle in on Mötley Crue's territory (and failing, since by this point they had removed the makeup and everyone could see that they were just fugly old men).

Crazy Nights was their best 80s song imo. Or maybe God Gave Rock n' Roll.
Crazy Nights is interesting because it’s the absolute peak of the band’s glam period. The album is super heavy on synths, giant hooks, glitter all around. Yet it does work better than a lot of their other material from the 80s. Maybe it’s because they just focused more on songwriting with great hooks instead of trying to be shockingly raunchy. IDK.

Also, God Gave Rock and Roll is from the 90s and with Eric Singer, so a new phase for the band anyway. Definitely one of their great later period tracks.
 
Crazy Nights is interesting because it’s the absolute peak of the band’s glam period. The album is super heavy on synths, giant hooks, glitter all around. Yet it does work better than a lot of their other material from the 80s. Maybe it’s because they just focused more on songwriting with great hooks instead of trying to be shockingly raunchy. IDK.
The band had their 80's hits, and the (pure) glam metal period was 85-89 (the most CN, 83/84 were still more hard and fast rock/metal like COTN), but the songwriting has hooks on all albums. Maybe Asylum is the best example, the 80's have more fillers than the 70's, but maybe that's because of the material's strength and contrast. That's their thing since the 70's. In the context of the style, their 80's material is good (most of it is underrated imo). The layer of the music was always good and class. Paul saved the band with his input. But during that time they were just playing the more popular songs on support tours, because of thier 70's material. They were one of the perfect bands to jump the glam wave because of their writing approach and style.
KISS is fun rock, that's probably the best way to describe them.
Also, God Gave Rock and Roll is from the 90s and with Eric Singer, so a new phase for the band anyway. Definitely one of their great later period tracks.
Yep, an anthem. Revenge was cool (definitely some and heavy ideas) and the right shift in style for the 90's and for them.
 
I think KISS is probably best compared to a good musical. There are musical people that can suspend their disbelief and go on and on about a musical that has this superb lighting, stage setup, musical numbers, great acting, the whole nine, but to someone that’s not into musicals, how are they suppose to care that this musical is the greatest of all time? That’s how I feel about KISS. There’s a part of my brain that can suspend the disbelief and sit there are really enjoy their music, albums and image. I actually think some of their 80’s albums are my favorite - especially Asylum. There’s just something about that macho/sex driven tongue in cheek rock/metal from that time. Yeah it’s corny but so is Cats probably - Uh! All Night and Rise to It are two of my favorites from that time.
Funny, in his book, Ace Frehley made similar observations that KISS live shows were more like musical theater productions than rock shows after a certain point.

I mean, even a non-fan like me who begrudgingly admits that Rock and Roll All Nite is a fun, catchy song, can see the logic there.
 
Kiss is one of those bands I have tried to enjoy, but other than some decent songs here and there, I cannot really understand their success.
My understanding is that they never really caught on in Europe. Their first trip to the UK wasn't until 1976 and I don't believe they returned to Europe until the tour with Maiden in 1980, which by then they were well past their prime (and would be opening for Iron Maiden there by the end of the decade).

From an American standpoint, they are pop culture icons pretty much synonymous with the 70s.
 
My understanding is that they never really caught on in Europe. Their first trip to the UK wasn't until 1976 and I don't believe they returned to Europe until the tour with Maiden in 1980, which by then they were well past their prime (and would be opening for Iron Maiden there by the end of the decade).

From an American standpoint, they are pop culture icons pretty much synonymous with the 70s.

Not exactly. I can't speak for the rest of the Europe, but in Central Europe at least (and from what I gather, Germany as well), they are rather well-known and quite popular, funnily enough primarily through I Was Made for Loving You, that's their literally most popular song ever bar none.
 
Fine, even if Parasite was 20 years ahead of its time and influenced 90s Nu Metal more than it gets credit for.

Or considering, objectively, anyone driving a 1978 Camaro z28 with the windows down would enjoy the drive 900% more if Love Gun were blaring over the tape deck than if not.

KISS are just not my cup of tea.
 
My understanding is that they never really caught on in Europe. Their first trip to the UK wasn't until 1976 and I don't believe they returned to Europe until the tour with Maiden in 1980, which by then they were well past their prime (and would be opening for Iron Maiden there by the end of the decade).

From an American standpoint, they are pop culture icons pretty much synonymous with the 70s.
We had Slade.
 
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