Discussion in 'Music Discussion' started by Forostar, Aug 27, 2008.

  1. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    I guess everyone must have heard something by KISS to have an opinion about them. I'd say go ahead but I especially wanted to open this topic because it seems the band re-recorded old songs.

    DefSTAR Records/Sony Music Japan has just released "Jigoku-Retsuden", a new KISS greatest-hits CD featuring all-new recordings of 15 KISS classics. The tracks were recently recorded and feature Paul Stanley, Gene Simmons, Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer. A limited-edition version of the CD includes a bonus "Kissology Special" DVD with live footage from KISS' legendary 1977 performance at Budokan.

    "Jigoku-Retsuden" (new recordings CD):

    01. Deuce
    02. Detroit Rock City
    03. Shout It Out Loud
    04. Hotter Than Hell
    05. Calling Dr. Love
    06. Love Gun
    07. I Was Made For Lovin' You
    08. Heaven's On Fire
    09. Lick It Up
    10. I Love It Loud
    11. Forever
    12. Christine Sixteen
    13. Do You Love Me
    14. Black Diamond
    15. Rock And Roll All Nite

    Check out audio samples at this location.

    So, do some KISS-lovers like this? Is it cool or it useless blasphemy? Only original versions in your stereo (or computer?)

    I wouldn't mind to see Maiden doing something like this (perhaps with the more rare tracks).
  2. SinisterMinisterX

    SinisterMinisterX Illuminatus Staff Member

    Useless blasphemy?

    If Singer and Thayer merely duplicated Ace's and Peter's original parts, then it's useless.

    If they altered those parts and did their own thing, then it's blasphemy.

    One or the other, not both.  :bigsmile:
  3. Perun

    Perun Stepping out bravely Staff Member

    Gene Simmons should re-record "When You Wish Upon A Star".
  4. SinisterMinisterX

    SinisterMinisterX Illuminatus Staff Member

    Haven't listened to the samples, but yesterday one of the Sirius DJs described them as "plodding and uninspired". And this is a DJ who likes old Kiss songs. So I'll take his word for it.
  5. Onhell

    Onhell Infinite Dreamer

    KISS.... great live, fucking hate them otherwise... HATE. and since I've never SEEN them live... I just hate them
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  6. SinisterMinisterX

    SinisterMinisterX Illuminatus Staff Member

    I cannot conceive the horror of the upbringing which could leave your soul so irreparably barren as to make you hate Kiss. There are few, if any, more perfect embodiments of rock and roll as a party. Specifically: "Rock and roll all nite and party every day" is not merely a song lyric; it's a goddamn mission statement.

    Children of the Church of Adrian Smith, please join me in a prayer for Onhell:

    Master H, we humbly beseech thee to pick up thy axe and play the intro riff from "Calling Dr. Love" a few times to heal the damaged mind of Onhell, whose distorted view of Kiss threatens to bring us all down. Or at least make Dennis Stratton play it for you, if the lowly Stratton is finished shining your shoes. In either case, please restore Onhell to sanity such that he may enjoy the greatness of even the cheesiest Kiss songs like "Let's Put The X In Sex".

    This prayer service of the Church of Adrian Smith has concluded. Go in heaviness.
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  7. Invader

    Invader Ancient Mariner

  8. Onhell

    Onhell Infinite Dreamer

    I hate most "party anthems." Unless I'm drunk or high, I cannot stand mindless party lyrics. I can much better stomach cheese like Europe or Survivor than the crap Kiss, Motley Crue and other "bands" have put out.
  9. SinisterMinisterX

    SinisterMinisterX Illuminatus Staff Member

    A message from the High Priest of the Church of Adrian Smith:

    I have a confession to make, my children. A confession regarding the sin of pride.

    In a folly of enormous magnitude, I had the pride and ego to instruct His Holiness Adrian Smith on how to heal Onhell's terribly morbid soul. I asked His H-ness to play the intro riff from a Kiss song.

    I am but a puny mortal, and I have no place telling Adrian Smith what to do. I shall not repeat that mistake.

    Let us pray:
    O Adrian Smith, we beseech thee to heal the insanity of Onhell in any manner which you see fit. It is clear that Onhell desperately needs your assistance, and we know that your power can restore him to wholeness. Look favorably upon him and grant him the ability to enjoy party anthems.

    May the Mullet be with you.
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  10. Albie

    Albie Keeping an open eye on the Weeping Angels.

    Motley Crue had their moments. Overall, I'd say that the Crue are not a bad band - and good fun live.

    Kiss just are a bit too cheesy for me.
  11. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    I have the exact opposite idea. I despize all those hairbands from the 80's with their crappy songmaterial.
    Kiss had some good songs, especially in the 70's but also on some eighties records.
  12. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Looks like I was more positive in the past.

    Let's continue the Kiss discussion here, if there's some animo.

    To be honest, I have not seen the Kiss DVD's. What struck me was the difference in time range they covered.

    Per album, I wrote down the songs that I like. It ranges from pretty OK to great. The best ones per album are in blue, but they are not in every case great; just the best from the album.

    Kiss (1974)
    Black Diamond

    Hotter than Hell (1974)
    Hotter than Hell
    Goin Blind

    Dressed to Kill (1975)
    C’mon and Love Me
    Rock Bottom

    Destroyer (1976)
    Detroit Rock City
    Shout it Out Loud
    King of the Night Time World
    God of Thunder
    Do You Love Me

    Rock and Roll Over (1976)
    I Want You
    Calling Dr. Love
    Ladies Room
    Makin’ Love

    Love Gun (1977)
    Love Gun
    Christine Sixteen
    I Stole Your Love
    Shock Me

    Dynasty (1979)
    Magic Touch (One of my alltime favourite Kiss songs. Superb vocal melodies/harmonies and a fine warm guitar sound and solos)
    Sure Know Something
    X-Ray Eyes
    I Was Made for Loving You

    Unmasked (1980)
    Easy As It Seems
    Naked City
    I like all these catchy tunes for these two albums. Great bass lines.

    The Elder (1981)
    Best album. Great from start to end. Progressive rock, serious music.

    Creatures of the Night (1982)
    Creatures of the Night
    War Machine
    Kiss' most overrated album because the rest is pretty bad.

    Lick It Up (1983)
    A Million to One
    And on the 8th Day
    The rest is pretty bad.

    Animalize (1984)
    I've Had Enough (Into the Fire)
    Thrills in the Night
    While the City Sleeps
    The rest is pretty bad.

    Asylum (1985)
    Who Wants to be Lonely
    King of the Mountain
    Tears Are Falling
    I’m Alive
    The rest is pretty bad.

    Crazy Nights (1987)
    I'll Fight Hell to Hold You
    Crazy Crazy Nights
    My Way
    Reason to Live
    The rest is pretty bad.

    Hot in the Shade (1989)
    I'll Fight Hell to Hold You
    Crazy Crazy Nights
    My Way
    Reason to Live
    The rest is pretty bad.

    Revenge (1992)
    Carr Jam 1981
    Heart of Chrome
    The rest is pretty bad.
    Make that 1 for me.
  13. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    I'll play, just my favorites from each album though

    Kiss (1974)

    Hotter than Hell (1974)
    Got To Choose

    Dressed to Kill (1975)
    C’mon and Love Me

    Destroyer (1976)
    King of the Night Time World

    Rock and Roll Over (1976)
    I Want You (Or Makin' Love)

    Love Gun (1977)
    Shock Me

    Dynasty (1979)
    Sure Know Something

    Unmasked (1980)
    Talk To Me

    The Elder:
    The Oath

    Creatures of the Night (1982)
    I Still Love You

    Lick It Up (1983)
    All Hell's Breaking Loose

    Animalize (1984)
    Heaven's On Fire

    Asylum (1985)
    Tears Are Falling

    Crazy Nights (1987)
    Crazy Crazy Nights

    Hot in the Shade (1989)
    Rise To It

    Revenge (1992)
    Really tough to decide. Either Unholy or I Just Wanna.
  14. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    See the Kiss dvds, Foro. They're great. The commentaries by Paul and Gene are great as well. Even though some years have more content than others, every era is pretty well represented.

    Kissology 1 is just 70's. All the way up to Love Gun. Nothing from the Destroyer tour, but I think every other tour has something. The setlists don't vary much but there are 2 really good concerts. Cobo Hall and Winterland. The former being from the Alive era and the latter being from the Hotter Than Hell era. Very good mix of interviews and concert and it's interesting to see the band grow so rapidly.

    Kissology 2 has more content and thus, more eras are covered. The first disc is the last we see of the original lineup. Not much on it as the space is filled up by the movie Kiss Meets The Phantom, which is so bad that I've never been able to get through the whole thing. It gives a good idea of where they were as a band though, and the soundtrack is mostly stuff from the solo albums. Then Disc 2 is them introducing Eric Carr and has what is one of the best concerts in the entire series. Definitely the best of the makeup era. Kiss in Australia from the Unmasked tour. Great energy, good setlist that covers just about everything up to that point, and awesome show. Also some Elder performances. Disc 3 is all without makeup except for the first concert, which isn't very good imo. It has Vinnie Vincent on guitar and the quality is pretty bad. Not to mention the meh setlist. This was a rough time for Kiss, as the commentaries say, but that particular show was huge. At the Macarana stadium in Rio, very familiar to us Maiden fans. Lots of great stuff after that though, including Kiss' first appearance and concert without makeup. Also another one of the best concerts in the series, Palace Of Auburn Hills during the Hot In The Shade Tour. Huge stage, huge setlist, Bruce Kulick. Pretty good tribute to Eric Carr at the end.

    3 is pretty much all concert. Disc one is the best. Show from the Revenge Tour that rivals the Hot In The Shade show I talked about earlier and the Unplugged show which is a must see. Not only is it a cool contrast to the huge stadium shows and loud rock that we're used to from Kiss but we also get to see the original lineup reunite for some songs. Disc 2 and 3 covers the 3 tours that the reunited lineup did together. The reunion tour, Psycho Circus, and the Farewell Tour. The stage and setlists are pretty similar in all of these so I don't watch them much. But Tiger Stadium and Dodger Stadium are pretty cool. Dodger Stadium is so long that it's on 2 discs! Probably the only show you absolutely need to see from this era, but the whole set is worth seeing at least once. Disc 4 is the earliest complete Kiss concert that we know of. Includes most of the first album plus Let Me Go Rock And Roll. It's pretty cool, I like seeing Let Me Know. That's a fun a song.

    Damn, now I'm going to have to watch these again!
  15. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Thanks for that description Mosh. :ok:
  16. bearfan

    bearfan Ancient Mariner

    Good description of the DVDs. Winterland is probably my favorite show on there. As for Phantom of the Park, it is so bad, it is almost good. In a Mystery Science Theater sort of way .. probably helps to have a few drinks while watching it. Keep an eye out for Black Ace (his stunt double).

    As for the albums, I'll take a few different tacts

    For these albums, these are the songs I do not like


    Kissing Time (stupid cover/single)

    Hotter Than Hell
    Like the whole album, thought the production could be better, the Alive versions usually sound better

    Dressed to Kill
    Two Timer

    Great Expectations (they are not the Beatles)

    Rock and Roll Over
    Like the whole album

    Love Gun
    Then She Kissed Me

    Ace Frehley
    One of my all time favorite albums

    From there on, these are the songs I do like

    Paul Stanley
    Tonight You Belong to Me
    Rest of the album is okay, but nothing great

    Gene Simmons
    See You in Your Dreams
    Rest is okay

    Peter Criss
    As a whole, I like the album, but it is not really a rock album and you have to be in a certain mood to get into it

    2,000 Man
    Sure Know Something
    Dirty Livin
    Save Your Love
    Rest is decent, I cannot stand I Was Made for Lovin You though
    Talk to Me
    Torpedo Girl
    Two Sides of the Coin
    Rest is okay to bad.

    Pretty much like the whole album Odyssey and Just a Boy are a little weak. Dark Light and The Oath are awesome

    Creatures of the Night
    Title Track, War Machine, and Danger ... rest is not so good.

    Lick it Up
    I like most of this one except Gimme More and A Million to One

    Under the Gun, I've Had Enough, Heavens on Fire .. rest is so-so to weak

    Asylum/Crazy Nights/Hot in the Shade
    I like these less and less every time I hear them and have little desire to hear them again

    Unholy, Domino, Carr Jam (which if you like, check out Breakout on the first Frehley's Comet album , which was based on it), and Heart of Chrome

    Carnival of Souls
    Hate, Rain, Jungle, Master and Slave, the rest is still pretty decent

    Psycho Circus
    Title Track, Into the Void, Within .. rest is so-so to poor

    Sonic Boom/Monster
    Cannot get into either of these album. I am a little tired of the "you can do anything you want kind of sappy songs"
  17. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    I liked Sonic Boom when it came out, now not so much. Monster was horrible, worst Kiss album. I couldn't even finish it. I actually haven't heard Carnival of Souls. I probably should try it one of these days.

    And yea, Winterland is awesome. My favorite would either be Sydney, the Hot In The Shade show, or the Revenge Show.
  18. bearfan

    bearfan Ancient Mariner

    Carnival of Souls is an odd album, it is similar to the Elder in that it a real departure for the band, both in terms of the content of the songs and musical style. It is also odd that the album was finished when the reunion started, so for a year+ there were leaks of the album around and bootlegs before it was released. Then when it was released, the reunion was in full swing and they did little to promote it, never toured for it (like Elder). Bruce Kuilick, now no longer with the band did most of the promotion as it featured his sole vocal effort for Kiss along and he had most of writing credits on it.
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  19. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    That's part of the reason why I avoided it. It doesn't seem like a coherent album, just a compilation of what they were working on. Also, I've heard bits from the making of thing in Kissology 3 and I didn't care for it too much.
  20. SixesAlltheway

    SixesAlltheway (slow heavy metal music playing)

    Alive! was pretty awesome. I have some rather nostalgia memories of that one. Firehouse!

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