KISS

Eddie's Uncle said:
Sorry, but calling Criss solid is out of line. He did not even play on most albums (Anton Fig replaced him). Deuce is pretty much the most complex song he can play, and even this one he simplified live. Peter was probably the most limited drummer ever having success.
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He played on all albums until 1977. And on 1 song only on Dynasty and Psycho Circus. KISS are hard rock, why you expect complex stuff. He's perfect for their 70's material. In his second stint with the band he simplified a lot live, but to call him limited. It's not metal. He did the job.
Eddie's Uncle said:
Some good songs here and there, no question. But overshadowed by their image.
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I would say their image overshadowed their music in the 70's (plus some 80's and early 90's). Underrated imo. Lyrics aside, ofc.
Spaldy said:
No-one in Kiss was a particularly good musician. They were all image, no substance.
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Wow! Even Ace? They're not the most technical or impressive musicians, but Ace is an influential rock guitarist. Paul had a great voice and is a very good as a guitarist. Gene's not a bad bassist. Their live shows until the late 90's, playing, singing, the amount of energy - let other bands try that.
Mosh said:
I still maintain that Peter Criss was a clear weak link in the band though (evidenced by the Parasite video linked above where he can't maintain a consistent tempo or kick pattern).
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IIRC, his tempo issues were one of the reasons for him leaving the band. Btw, the song ''Parasite'' allows such tempo and pattern, methinks.
Spaldy said:
That's some amateur hour drumming for a supposedly professional band. Although standards were presumably lower in 1975.
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Amateur? I don't think it's that bad. It's him at the peak of his powers. And we're talking about the 70's. He's definitely not an impressive drummer.
Eddie's Uncle said:
Eric Carr could play, but they never gave him an opportunity to show it.
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How so?
DJ James said:
This is just incorrect. Bruce Kulick, Mark St John, Vinnie Vincent and Eric Carr are all EXCEPTIONAL musicians.
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Yes. Although I think shredders like Vinnie and Mark weren't a good fit for the band's material, the technical players. Kulick and Carr were perfect.
Eddie's Uncle said:
Well, they turned down Richie Sambora, who auditioned before joining Bon Jovi. He would have been their best guitarist. Wonder why they ditched him. But honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was about looks...
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Sambora would have fitted KISS. Their best guitarist? It's not that easy to say, but Ace is Ace. About the looks, lol.
 
Eddie's Uncle said:
But honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was about looks. To join Kiss, you had to look good (I would never had a chance), but not better than Paul of course. I am sure that looking less good than Gene or better than Paul would cost you the job, even if you were the greatest guitarist and nicest person on earth :D
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Not only is this funny, but you know it’s absolutely true too lol
 
Kalata said:
He played on all albums until 1977. And on 1 song only on Dynasty and Psycho Circus. KISS are hard rock, why you expect complex stuff. He's perfect for their 70's material. In his second stint with the band he simplified a lot live, but to call him limited. It's not metal. He did the job.
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I don't expect complex stuff at all. But Kiss drumming is even more simplistic than AC/DC, and thats already as basic as it gets. I don't mind that. As you say, it gets the job done. But it is also valid to say that Peter Criss is a very limited drummer, ss he could not play anything more varied if he had to..
Also, hard rock does not always have to be simplistic. Take Golden Earring for example. Or Deep Purple.
Kalata said:
Underrated imo. Lyrics aside, ofc.
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I always have difficulties to call any band that sold several millions of records underrated.
 
Eddie's Uncle said:
But Kiss drumming is even more simplistic than AC/DC...
But it is also valid to say that Peter Criss is a very limited drummer, ss he could not play anything more varied if he had to..
Also, hard rock does not always have to be simplistic. Take Golden Earring for example. Or Deep Purple.
I always have difficulties to call any band that sold several millions of records underrated.
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Wow.
''very'' is too much imo.
I should have said pure rock.
True, but it happens.

Here's what Gene said about Peter and Ace's musical contribution in a new interview. Peter is not a rock drummer, but he has a swing and play by feel. He gave an example with ''Strutter''. Ace was so serious about his playing and solos. Basically praises. They are all untrained musicians.

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GENE SIMMONS Praises ACE FREHLEY And PETER CRISS's Early Musical Contributions To KISS

During an appearance on Billy Corgan's new podcast "The Magnificent Others", Gene Simmons reflected on the musical chemistry of the original KISS lineup, including drummer Peter Criss and guitarist Ace Frehley, both of whom originally split with KISS in the early 1980s, rejoined briefly in the...
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Iron Lurker said:
I saw where Simmons is doing a solo tour and one "lucky" person at each stop can pay $12,500 to be his PA for the day...

Some Kiss fans just love getting fleeced...
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And that tour was cancelled due to low ticket sales. Then this show gets announced by complete coincidence.
 
You have to wonder at Simmons being willing to have some cunt follow him around all day. Surely he's not that hungry for another 12 grand?
 
Prices aside, they said at the time of the End of the Road tour that there would be no more big makeup tours but they would continue to do one off shows/cruises. I had been expecting something like this to be announced eventually.
 
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