Edington
Last Son of The Miracle
Well, he's not wrong about Rob, but to rag on Glenn after what he's been through is just cold. The man has Parkinson's disease - hello?!
Judas Priest
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Well, he's not wrong about Rob, but to rag on Glenn after what he's been through is just cold. The man has Parkinson's disease - hello?!
Kalata
Out of the Silent Planet
Today, I've watched so many clips of him playing solos and stuff like that and he is world class.
Kalata
Out of the Silent Planet
I think not. It is indeed very good song - nice tempo.
Kalata
Out of the Silent Planet
With the approaching release of the K.K. Downing memoirs, more and more is revealed -> http://ultimateclassicrock.com/k-k-downing-judas-priest-rejoin/
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fo...on-to-be-particularly-easy-to-get-along-with/
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/k-...t-none-of-judas-priest-fans-were-missing-him/
Some interesting cuts:
''Rob and Glenn went off and did their lengthy solo careers, and that became a bit disruptive. I didn’t even mention that in the book. But Rob actually released two albums and did his own tour in the exact year before I left. And then when they said, ‘K.K., we want you to start writing for a five-track EP,’ I went, ‘Fucking no way in hell! Rob has just released two albums in the last year, and we are only releasing an EP ? Something is not right.’ Enough was enough really, and I bailed out there. And like I said in the book, I tried to put it as diplomatically as I could. But in a nutshell, enough was enough, really. And that was it.''
''Well, I think the thing is, since I quit the band back in 2011, it hasn't been great for me. The band members have done certain things and said certain things, and I think that's not really fair play. What have I done to deserve that? It's a little bit unfair, really. When Ian [Hill, bass], for example, said soon after I left — he actually said, and it was all over the press — that 'none of the fans are missing K.K.,' I thought, 'Ian, that's just unfair. Why say that?' We went to infant school together, junior school, secondary school together. I thought that was extremely unfair. If he had said, 'Not all of the fans are missing K.K.,' okay, fine, but, obviously, I was reading different things in the press than Ian was; lots of people did actually say, 'No K.K., no PRIEST.' We all had fans. And more recently, when some of the fans say, 'Why didn't K.K. ask to rejoin [PRIEST following Glenn Tipton's decision to retire from the road due to his battle with Parkinson's disease]?' Well, the thing is I never had a choice, I never had a chance, because someone else was appointed to take Glenn's place straight away, before I even knew about it. So I read a lot of things on the Internet from all of the fans. And I think I'd love to tell them how it really is. It was the hardest thing, it was gut-wrenching for me to have to leave my creation and my life's work in JUDAS PRIEST, but I was just pushed over the edge, really. The thing that did it, and I think I point it out [in the book], was [being asked] to do an EP after the epic 'Nostradamus'. JUDAS PRIEST is not an EP band. We could do an EP and then go out on tour and something tragic could have happened, and maybe I would be finding myself ending my career on a five-track EP, and I didn't wanna do that. Fortunately, the guys realized that it was a bit of a stinker of an idea and went ahead and did an album, and I'm glad that they did, because I think that that was the best thing to do.''
Downing has called Faulkner his "clone" and revealed that he "never found" Tipton "to be particularly easy to get along with. Very early on, I was fully aware of the limited conditions under which he operated," K.K. wrote in his book. "If you were going to relate to him, you would do so entirely on his terms.
Even though he called his replacement Richie Faulkner a “clone” – after having previously queried the claim that Faulkner reinvigorated the band – Downing suggested he could still consider going back. Referring to a potential induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, he asked, “Could that be done without me? Don’t know. Could the 50th anniversary be done without me? Don’t know.”
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fo...on-to-be-particularly-easy-to-get-along-with/
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/k-...t-none-of-judas-priest-fans-were-missing-him/
Some interesting cuts:
''Rob and Glenn went off and did their lengthy solo careers, and that became a bit disruptive. I didn’t even mention that in the book. But Rob actually released two albums and did his own tour in the exact year before I left. And then when they said, ‘K.K., we want you to start writing for a five-track EP,’ I went, ‘Fucking no way in hell! Rob has just released two albums in the last year, and we are only releasing an EP ? Something is not right.’ Enough was enough really, and I bailed out there. And like I said in the book, I tried to put it as diplomatically as I could. But in a nutshell, enough was enough, really. And that was it.''
''Well, I think the thing is, since I quit the band back in 2011, it hasn't been great for me. The band members have done certain things and said certain things, and I think that's not really fair play. What have I done to deserve that? It's a little bit unfair, really. When Ian [Hill, bass], for example, said soon after I left — he actually said, and it was all over the press — that 'none of the fans are missing K.K.,' I thought, 'Ian, that's just unfair. Why say that?' We went to infant school together, junior school, secondary school together. I thought that was extremely unfair. If he had said, 'Not all of the fans are missing K.K.,' okay, fine, but, obviously, I was reading different things in the press than Ian was; lots of people did actually say, 'No K.K., no PRIEST.' We all had fans. And more recently, when some of the fans say, 'Why didn't K.K. ask to rejoin [PRIEST following Glenn Tipton's decision to retire from the road due to his battle with Parkinson's disease]?' Well, the thing is I never had a choice, I never had a chance, because someone else was appointed to take Glenn's place straight away, before I even knew about it. So I read a lot of things on the Internet from all of the fans. And I think I'd love to tell them how it really is. It was the hardest thing, it was gut-wrenching for me to have to leave my creation and my life's work in JUDAS PRIEST, but I was just pushed over the edge, really. The thing that did it, and I think I point it out [in the book], was [being asked] to do an EP after the epic 'Nostradamus'. JUDAS PRIEST is not an EP band. We could do an EP and then go out on tour and something tragic could have happened, and maybe I would be finding myself ending my career on a five-track EP, and I didn't wanna do that. Fortunately, the guys realized that it was a bit of a stinker of an idea and went ahead and did an album, and I'm glad that they did, because I think that that was the best thing to do.''
Downing has called Faulkner his "clone" and revealed that he "never found" Tipton "to be particularly easy to get along with. Very early on, I was fully aware of the limited conditions under which he operated," K.K. wrote in his book. "If you were going to relate to him, you would do so entirely on his terms.
Even though he called his replacement Richie Faulkner a “clone” – after having previously queried the claim that Faulkner reinvigorated the band – Downing suggested he could still consider going back. Referring to a potential induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, he asked, “Could that be done without me? Don’t know. Could the 50th anniversary be done without me? Don’t know.”
If KK made an account on this forum, his nick would be CriedSinceILeft.
Edington
Last Son of The Miracle
This quote rings a bell, think that interview was posted somewhere before. Anyway, as I said before, Glenn only released two albums, nearly nine years apart no less, and he never toured for them. How could that have been disruptive?
I've tried to stay impartial in all this, I still have a massive amount of respect for KK despite his comments and for all we know he could be telling the truth, but I really don't like the way he's treating Glenn given his condition. Seems KK is trying to paint Priest as the bad guys and himself as the one who was hard done by.
GhostofCain
Ancient Mariner
His constant whining is becoming quite tiresome.
GhostofCain
Ancient Mariner
It is certainly interesting, but his whining is becoming quite repetitive.
Black Wizard
Pleb Hunter
I am tired of KK's persistent sniping from the sidelines. There's no way he'll ever play with them again if this crap continues.
GhostofCain
Ancient Mariner
Judas Priest's answer to K.K. Downing's begging to be asked to rejoin:
If you think we have been missing you as the world goes by
You're thinkin' like a fool; instead of seeing you we'd rather die
Out there is a fortune you are not going to have
If you think we'll ask you back you're mad
You've got another thing comin'
KK is trying to pull the same shit Portnoy tried when he left Dream Theater. He left the band thinking he had enough clout that after a failed album and tour, the band would come crawling back. Now that this isn’t the case (and he has a book to sell), he’s trying to stir up drama in the press. Imo Priest should just take the high road and ignore it.
It’s not about disliking criticisms, I’ve been very critical of the band’s current incarnation in fact. I think they’re close to reaching Kiss levels of cabaret. But KK isn’t being a neutral party here and the constant sniping is coming off as petty. Complaining that he wasn’t asked to rejoin when Glenn left is ridiculous. He was the one who quit the band, if he wants to return he could have asked to rejoin instead of taking to the press to complain that he wasn’t asked. See my above point about clout (or lack thereof). This is clearly an issue of pride.
The one aspect not being discussed here is the financial side. I’m sure there’s a monetary conflict that is also driving some of this. Maybe KK did attempt to negotiate a return to the band but was going to receive less money than he did before (its reasonable to assume that would be the case with a returning band member).
It’s not about disliking criticisms, I’ve been very critical of the band’s current incarnation in fact. I think they’re close to reaching Kiss levels of cabaret. But KK isn’t being a neutral party here and the constant sniping is coming off as petty. Complaining that he wasn’t asked to rejoin when Glenn left is ridiculous. He was the one who quit the band, if he wants to return he could have asked to rejoin instead of taking to the press to complain that he wasn’t asked. See my above point about clout (or lack thereof). This is clearly an issue of pride.
The one aspect not being discussed here is the financial side. I’m sure there’s a monetary conflict that is also driving some of this. Maybe KK did attempt to negotiate a return to the band but was going to receive less money than he did before (its reasonable to assume that would be the case with a returning band member).
GhostofCain
Ancient Mariner
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/sep/18/judas-priests-kk-downing-interview-heavy-duty-memoir
Jim Farber in The Guardian said:
GhostofCain
Ancient Mariner
The whole Epitaph stunt was rather shambolic if you ask me.
Edington
Last Son of The Miracle
I like your use of "shambolic". 
There's two ways that I see it; one is that KK somehow coerced the rest of the band into calling it quits, then they decided against it and ousted him, Or the whole band was genuinely into the idea of quitting, then decided against it and KK disagreed.
There's two ways that I see it; one is that KK somehow coerced the rest of the band into calling it quits, then they decided against it and ousted him, Or the whole band was genuinely into the idea of quitting, then decided against it and KK disagreed.
The Epitaph tour is definitely a big question mark in this. I don’t think it’s the second option mostly because it seemed like the decision to carry on came later in the tour. I remember them slowly pivoting from “we may continue to record” to “we might play some gigs here and there” to the Redeemer of Souls tour. Maybe I’m not cynical enough, but I think they were mostly genuine at least before the tour started. I also think Faulkner reinvigorated them in a lot of ways and made them want to continue.
Another likely scenario is that KK wanted to leave the band, they decided they didn’t want to replace him so they agreed on a final tour, KK pulled out last minute so they decide to continue the tour without him (and ultimately continue as a band without him).
I also don’t doubt KK was telling the truth when he talks about being unhappy with the five song EP thing. Although the complaint about Rob and Glenn’s solo careers is weird. Back when he left the band I thought it sounded like he was disappointed with the way Nostradamus was shafted live and the general uninterest in new music. He wasn’t wrong. Nostradamus was basically a nostalgia tour, they just finished a British Steel revival tour, and they were about to embark on yet another nostalgia tour. That’s three in a row. Really every tour since the band reunited has been a nostalgia tour. At least they’re slightly more productive in the studio now and maybe KK wants in on that.
Another likely scenario is that KK wanted to leave the band, they decided they didn’t want to replace him so they agreed on a final tour, KK pulled out last minute so they decide to continue the tour without him (and ultimately continue as a band without him).
I also don’t doubt KK was telling the truth when he talks about being unhappy with the five song EP thing. Although the complaint about Rob and Glenn’s solo careers is weird. Back when he left the band I thought it sounded like he was disappointed with the way Nostradamus was shafted live and the general uninterest in new music. He wasn’t wrong. Nostradamus was basically a nostalgia tour, they just finished a British Steel revival tour, and they were about to embark on yet another nostalgia tour. That’s three in a row. Really every tour since the band reunited has been a nostalgia tour. At least they’re slightly more productive in the studio now and maybe KK wants in on that.