Nigel Tufnel
Ancient Mariner
Bitchy Bitchy Bitchy Bitch. I'm done bitchin now. Good Riddance to ignorance. Even joking around, I would never drop a racial slur like that.
Guitar Hero Iron Maiden!!!!!
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Quetzalcoatlus said:
No second chances for bigotry. One strike and you're out. And if he didn't read the rules, that's his own fault. For minor offenses we can be flexible, but not for this.
Quetzalcoatlus said:
You have to agree to the rules before you sign up, mate. If he can't read the part that says no bigotry is welcome, well, then he's not welcome. End of story.
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
As a foreign language speaker I always like to know for sure what we are talking about here.
The funny sounding word of today is:
bigotry
(wiki)
A bigot is a person who is obstinately and irrationally, often intolerantly, devoted to his or her own religion, political party, organization, belief, or opinion, especially one who regards or treats those of differing devotion with hatred and intolerance. Bigotry is the corresponding mindset or action.
The term bigot is often misused to pejoratively label those who merely oppose or disagree with the devotion of another. The correct use of the term, however, requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion.
The origin of the word bigot and bigoterie in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite". Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views. ...
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Yes I can see that this user was using lame and offending language (I mean he intended to offend someone), and a ban could be appropriate.
But was it bigotry? Did he show anything of his motivation, religion, belief, opinion, etc? Was it substantial enough to call it that? It was not based on anything. I had the idea that the word was used randomly, without any specific mindset. He didn't know the background of the one he "conversed" with.
I guess we could compare this case with someone calling another user a faggot (without knowing if the addressed person is homosexual).. (?)
The funny sounding word of today is:
bigotry
(wiki)
A bigot is a person who is obstinately and irrationally, often intolerantly, devoted to his or her own religion, political party, organization, belief, or opinion, especially one who regards or treats those of differing devotion with hatred and intolerance. Bigotry is the corresponding mindset or action.
The term bigot is often misused to pejoratively label those who merely oppose or disagree with the devotion of another. The correct use of the term, however, requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion.
The origin of the word bigot and bigoterie in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite". Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views. ...
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Yes I can see that this user was using lame and offending language (I mean he intended to offend someone), and a ban could be appropriate.
But was it bigotry? Did he show anything of his motivation, religion, belief, opinion, etc? Was it substantial enough to call it that? It was not based on anything. I had the idea that the word was used randomly, without any specific mindset. He didn't know the background of the one he "conversed" with.
I guess we could compare this case with someone calling another user a faggot (without knowing if the addressed person is homosexual).. (?)
Nigel Tufnel
Ancient Mariner
It was a racial slur. Weather or not he meant to use it to offend a person who is Jewish or not, it is still a slur. Same as if he said the N word. A slur is a slur.
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
He knew enough to know it was insulting...
Anyway. He couldn't take some criticism, it WAS false advertising to name the thread "Guitar Hero Iron Maiden," since the franchise has made games for some bands and heck, why not maiden. I was excited to see any news on said front, but no, some jack ass was playing a "what if" game...
Anyway. He couldn't take some criticism, it WAS false advertising to name the thread "Guitar Hero Iron Maiden," since the franchise has made games for some bands and heck, why not maiden. I was excited to see any news on said front, but no, some jack ass was playing a "what if" game...
Derek Smalls said:
I'd agree with that. I don't know that it matters if a word is accurately descriptive or not. The tone was set as offensive.
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
Derek Smalls said:
The word Jew itself is a slur, even if he did not use it to offend a person? I'd doubt that.
This is what I call slur:
Yid
Disparaging term for a Jew, although it is an endonym among Yiddish-speaking Jews.
Mocky / moky / moxy / mockey / mockie / mocky
(U.S.) a Jew [first used in the 1930s]
Kike or kyke
(U.S.) a Jew. From kikel, Yiddish for "circle". Immigrant Jews signed legal documents with an "O" (similar to an "X").
Ikey / ike / iky
a Jew [from Isaac]
Ikey-mo / ikeymo
a Jew [from Isaac and Moses]
Hymie
(U.S.) offensive term for a Jewish person, derived from the personal name Hyman (from the Hebrew name Chayyim). Jesse Jackson provoked controversy by referring to New York City as "Hymietown" in 1984.
Heeb, Hebe
(U.S.) offensive term for a Jewish person, derived from the word "Hebrew".
Christ killer
a Jew, an allusion to Jewish deicide
Alter kacker / alter kocker (Yiddish) / alter kucker / A.K.
(North America) a disparaging term for elderly Jewish people. The term is of Yiddish origin (literally meaning old shitter). First used in the early 1900s.
Abbie / Abe / Abie
(North America) a Jewish male. From the proper name Abraham. Originated before the 1950s.
Dirty Jew
Forostar - you're not a native speaker of the English language, so maybe you wouldn't understand. Calling someone a Jew is a racial slur in that it is intended to assign the negative stereotypes of the Jewish race to someone who may otherwise not be associated with them.
You're right, it's the same as in using a homophobic slur on someone. Regardless of that person's sexuality, you're actually assigning the negative stereotypes of homosexuals to the person you're insulting.
You're right, it's the same as in using a homophobic slur on someone. Regardless of that person's sexuality, you're actually assigning the negative stereotypes of homosexuals to the person you're insulting.
Nigel Tufnel
Ancient Mariner
Oh I had the same reaction to the title of the thread as you did Ohnell. With all the songs they are putting into the Guitar Hero franchise, it'd only make sense to put out an Iron Maiden Guitar Hero. Hopefully it will happen.Onhell said:
As for calling someone "A Jew" is different than someone stating that " I am a Jew." The former is hurling an insult at someone, where the latter is someone identifying themselves as a person of a particular race. Usually my Jewish friends or coworkers will say " i'm Jewish". They don't usually say "I'm a Jew." It's all about the context.
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Deleted member 7164
Guest
I think that guy was joking.
Actually, if someone said that Justin Timberlake smells like gypsy, nobody would comment on that. 1.5 million gypsies died in Europe during WW2.
So fucking what? It's a joke.
Jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew.
Actually, if someone said that Justin Timberlake smells like gypsy, nobody would comment on that. 1.5 million gypsies died in Europe during WW2.
So fucking what? It's a joke.
Jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew.
Nigel Tufnel
Ancient Mariner
Because we really have nothing else to do.Perun said:
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Deleted member 7164
Guest
^ 
Actually, it pisses me off sometimes. I can't tell a Hitler joke because somebody is Jewish. It's that kind of overprotection that, in reality, induces antisemitism. Humour is positive. Fun and laugh are products of positive emotions.
But hey, it's my point of view. Here we laugh at anything and anyone, brutal jokes about any race, nationality, religion, including ourselves.
In fact, races exist only on biochemical level, while concepts of nationality and religion are just plain bullshit. Those things should be mocked and laughed upon.
Actually, it pisses me off sometimes. I can't tell a Hitler joke because somebody is Jewish. It's that kind of overprotection that, in reality, induces antisemitism. Humour is positive. Fun and laugh are products of positive emotions.
But hey, it's my point of view. Here we laugh at anything and anyone, brutal jokes about any race, nationality, religion, including ourselves.
In fact, races exist only on biochemical level, while concepts of nationality and religion are just plain bullshit. Those things should be mocked and laughed upon.
Nigel Tufnel
Ancient Mariner
That is true, Zare that we have become oversensative (is that a real word and if it is did i spell it correctly) and people are offended too easily. But like the saying du jour "it is what it is." Myself, I have a pretty thick skin, but in a setting like this where there are so many people from around the globe, I don't know what is offensive to someone else and what is'nt.
So now this is turning into a discussion of political correctness?
I should start by saying there is a difference in your level of comfort. This guy wasn't really in our circle of trust yet, so we can't really say that we knew his intentions.
But I am not worried about you telling a Hitler joke. What I am worried about is the guy using the term "jew" solely as derogatory. I don't think it was meant as a joke - simply put, I think he meant it offensively.
I think we reacted appropriately. I'm not worried about someone being offended innocuously; I am worried about someone targeting someone deliberately with a racial slur.
I should start by saying there is a difference in your level of comfort. This guy wasn't really in our circle of trust yet, so we can't really say that we knew his intentions.
But I am not worried about you telling a Hitler joke. What I am worried about is the guy using the term "jew" solely as derogatory. I don't think it was meant as a joke - simply put, I think he meant it offensively.
I think we reacted appropriately. I'm not worried about someone being offended innocuously; I am worried about someone targeting someone deliberately with a racial slur.
Derek Smalls said:
Well Zare, there is a difference between making a Hitler joke and calling someone a Jew as an insult. And nothing in the offending post indicates that it was a good-natured joke, it was obviously meant as an offence. And even if it was a joke, it was still a racist joke.
Primarily, it has nothing to do with the Holocaust or anything. You simply do not do this sort of thing: You do not offend other people, and you do not do so by evoking negative stereotypes. Both is bad. And the combination is worse.
You claimed that none of us would have said a thing if somebody said "he smells like a Gypsy" - that is wrong. I know at least I would have reacted the same way.
You see, we don't promote the idea of political correctness to the grave, but there are limits. And racism is one of those limits, as is clearly stated in the forum rules. Yes, we have a zero-tolerance policy on it, and we always had. We have banned several people for racism already. And given that this is the very first complaint about it in the five years I have been a member of this board, I do believe that the other members are perfectly fine with it.
