GREATEST METAL ALBUM CUP - Winner: Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son!

I think albums which I've added to my Spotify is a pretty good criterion for my favourite discoveries, so let's go:

Nevermore albums (Dreaming Neon Black, Dead Heart in a Dead World, This Godless Endeavor)

I heard the song This Godless Endeavor a good while back, and ever since they entered the forsaken list of "bands I intended to listen to". Luckily, in the very first rounds we got Dreaming Neon Black (which I LOVED), and it kickstarted me to listen to the rest. Eventually we got This Godless Endeavor and Dreaming Neon Black in the game, but sadly none of the three advanced a single round... Amazing band, I mean they became my 7th most listened to of all time.

Sleep - Jerusalem (/Dopesmoker)

I have heard about this album before and knew it was a kind of gold standard in the genre, so I was pretty excited to finally have an excuse to listen. it puts you in the place where you don't care that it goes on for about 10 minutes without any change whatsoever. Deserves its recognition!

Virgin Steele - The House of Atreus Act 1

Oh right, this lost to Nosferatu. That was so fucking stupid.
This was the first album I fell in love with this game. It's lengthy and ambitious with all the interludes, but you know what, I think they're important! They make the album much more than what it would have been without them. They make it so passionate. Of course, the regular songs themselves all kick ass in their own right. IMO, this album hit the elusive spot where it can take itself seriously WITHOUT being cheesy. It's like a cringy parody song vs a parody song that's actually funny.

Thorns - Thorns

Very possibly my #1 finding from this game! The drumming, the riffing, the pristine sci-fi sound come together and create a masterpiece. Parts like the middle section in World Playground Deceit and the ending riff in Existence. Shifting Channels brings a dreary metallic sound, Vortex is a dramatic finisher, and the entirety of Interface to God is just awesome. (But especially the chorus :wub: )

Sabbat - Dreamweaver

This is the one that got stuck in my head the most. The lyrics here are superb, and the songs are pure thrash gold. And surprisingly catchy too! It does fall off a bit in the last two songs but they are great as well. I also really loved History of a Time to Come but this one takes the cake.

Symphony X albums (The Divine Wings of Tragedy, V: The New Mythology Suite, The Odyssey)

After Nevermore, this became the band to discover for me. It started with TDWoT, which I though was almost perfect, and when the latter two arrived in the game I already had some experience with them. While my hype for TDWoT wound down, I still think V is absolutely stellar from start to finish. The Odyssey I didn't really connect to at first, but it's still great, in the same way that The Final Frontier is better than a lot of albums despite being lower tier Maiden.

Atlantean Kodex - The Course of Empire

I believe a lot of us agree this was one of the greatest findings here. All the songs are just amazing (the title track drags a bit) and incredibly well crafted. I'm a massive fan of that big, powerful drum sound. Fantastic lyrics as well.

Carcass - Heartwork

I think I voted for Rush over this. What the fuck. The first half is filled with absolute classics. The latter half is just as good. Perfect album.

Iced Earth - Horror Show

I expected this to be mediocre after hearing Night of the Stormrider, but boy was I wrong! Just awesome power metal. It suffers from Powerslave syndrome where the bookend songs are some levels above the rest, but luckily, just like in Powerslave, the other songs are super cool as well.

Arcturus - La Masquerade Infernale

I think I have to mention this one, because just a month ago or so it popped into my head for whatever reason, long long after it was gone from the game, and I've been listening in the few occasions I had the time. While I'm still not familiar enough with most of the songs, I can confidently say Master of Disguise and The Chaos Path are good enough to call them masterpieces, and that I will probably like the rest when I give it some more listens.
 
The album which I found from the game was: Symphony X - The Odyssey
I'm glad you enjoy this one! The title track alone is magnificent, but it's a great album. Symphony X has been one of my personal big "finds" from the past couple of years.

Cool song from the game: Unleash The Archers - ''Awakening''
Also glad you like this. UTA is another one of my new faves, and I'm really glad sharing them in this game led to more fans of their work. For a small band that's a big victory!
 
think the weighted seeding on some albums was 100% necessary, most of the top 32 definitely arrived in the game at pretty much the right time. But maybe there was too many good albums that arrived too late and never got a chance to get a run going. Killing is my Buisiness and The Real Thing had really good runs, which gave people a good chance of checking them out, but better albums by both bands only ended up with a round or two. Crimson Glory was a band I discovered because they got a decent run, if it had been one song and out, I would have only gave one song a listen and dismissed them as Queensryche wannabes to my own detriment. I realise that this is on me for only checking out the sample tracks.
Yeah, I know. Part of it is that we had a mushy middle for about 1/2 of the game, then the albums that came in after were all progressively better each league, which didn't give much chance to shine. I'm not sure how to address that while being "fair" - IE, if I tossed some of the lower multi-list albums into the earlier leagues, doesn't it just make favourites?

In the end, considering the game was about introducing people to music they like, I decided not to worry about it; the latter rounds consist primarily of albums everyone already knows, so we don't need to linger with them as much, and I think it worked well.

That said, if anyone has ideas for how to avoid this in 2024, I'm listening.
 
Atlantean Kodex - The Course of Empire

I believe a lot of us agree this was one of the greatest findings here. All the songs are just amazing (the title track drags a bit) and incredibly well crafted. I'm a massive fan of that big, powerful drum sound. Fantastic lyrics as well.
I can only imagine that @Perun is smiling as he reads this.
 
Missed the finale. My vote would have tied it.

Thanks for the massive effort @LooseCannon thoroughly enjoyed it.
Found some new bands (Unleash the Archers ) gained a greater appreciation of others, and discovered how fractured and compartmentalized the genre has become. And how dated I have. Not sure I can be considered a metal head any more, at least how most of you define it, more of a post-millennium dabbler.

Appreciated everyone’s insights and efforts in the commentary. Thanks for playing.
 
Personally, I think it’s pretty awesome that you would cast the deciding vote in a game that you’ve put so much work into.
I think it would've been incredibly poetic.

Anyway, I don't think people would've been upset with either of these candidates winning. Although the finals weren't surprising, I didn't expect some others things throughout the tournament. I thought some older rock/metal albums would get much further (eg. AC/DC, KISS, Black Sabbath) and I didn't know a lot of trash albums were so beloved here (eg. a lot of Megadeth.)

What did I discover? From the top of my mind - Ayreon. But there have been other albums/bands which I added to my favorites and will definitely give them more time when I have one.

Thanks to Mr LC for hosting!
 
Here's some thoughts of mine, in order from oldest, to newest.

League 18
An introductory league to get everyone used to the way the game will flow. Korn winning a round was a little shocking, but Sunn O))) isn't really music, and if you say otherwise, you're wrong. I knew Death had a clear path to run deep into the early rounds, but I was impressed at how much I liked The Sound of Perseverence. The vocals aren't quite my speed, but in the right mood, sure. The champ of the round for me was Aathma by Persefone, a nice little find.

League 17
The largest new listen league. Maybe I should have staggered this more, but also, fuck it. Living Colour is a great album, and deserved its win. I also really enjoyed The House of Atreus Part I by Virgin Steele. This band is very hit and miss for me, if they had a better vocalist they'd be far more hit. Some bands are terrible, too. Pig Destroyer - what is this? My biggest discover was Alcest, both albums from this band were really enjoyable for what they were. Gotta be in the mood to listen to them but they're the perfect music for that mood.

League 16
This was not a great league for me personally. I really liked Pretty Maids - Future World, that was a cool album I've come back to a few times. I was surprised to see Kamelot get a win over White Zombie, even though I voted for Kamelot (probably). Crimson Glory was great, too!

League 15
I was a little surprised by some losers in this league. Arch Enemy had such a good reputation I thought they'd triumph over AC/DC, but I underestimated the power of the classic rock crowd. Slipknot vs Baroness was interesting and solidified how we feel about nu metal, I thought. ThunderSteel by Riot was a good little album, and we had our first band on band violence when Virgin Steel drew its blade against itself.

League 14
Death and Megadeth are deep into runs by this point. Nirvana shows up, so that's a thing. This got me to listen to The Eternal Idol again, which was well worth it. I also really learned to enjoy Gamma Ray because of this game, Sigh No More was a lot of fun. The first Iron Maiden album arrives.

League 13
Some Primordial comes in here. To be fully honest, I'm still up and down on the band, but I liked some of it. It's a band I'll be doing a full exploration of as time permits. Nuclear Assault - Game Over shows up in this one - awesome album! Bloodbound - Nosferatu wins in a tiebreaker, which is the definition of a one-song album. Just a great title track and everything else is really bland. Both early Virgin Steele survivors go out in this league. Also, Powerwolf - Lupus Dei was a great find.

League 12
Amputated was in this round, up there with Pig Destroyer as one of the worst albums in the game. Yuck. Fan favourite The Course of Empire started a long run here, ending a long Death run. Pink Floyd was knocked out, thankfully. Something something Symbol of Salvation. Match 32's Rush domination begins.

League 11
The Headless Cross is another reminder that post-Dio/Ozzy Sabbath is pretty good, actually. The Final Frontier joins the game. Perun, I think, nominated Geist, which was a pain in the ass to fucking track down and figure out. Hammerfall gets 2 votes, Papa Roach gets 6. Tells you how we feel about intentionally cheesy power.

League 10
The first time Dream Theater shows up, and correctly, is rejected for Atlantean Kodex. Perun nominates the album with the very scantily clad lads. Skyforger, another album I really enjoyed, showed up. Rush defeats Rush for the first of three times in the game.

League 9
MOTHERFUCKING BOLT THROWER.
Also, Babymetal lived in my head for like two weeks. Fuck Babymetal.

League 8
Unleash the Archers starts their run, which seems to have won many hearts and minds. Annihilator also starts their deep run with Alice in Hell. Really impressive run. Faith No More is eliminated by, sigh, Chinese Democracy.

League 7
You know, these mushy middle leagues got to be a little much, even for me, and I need to figure out a way to separate them out next time. Maybe qualifiers? I dunno. Be'Lakor was a great find here, I really enjoyed this one.

League 6
This is where we start to see the higher-ranked albums trickle in. Alter Bridge starts a really deep run. More Rush on Rush violence.

League 5
Rush on Rush violence again! Van Halen eliminates UTA which makes me very sad. Not much more to say.

League 4
Things get a little dicier here. Gojira goes down to Soundgarden, which shocked me. Bathory beats Van Halen, another shock. Walls of Jericho was an album I enjoyed a lot. Nightfall Over Middle Earth loses to a bland Queensrÿche album, very upsetting, and their long-running Tales went out to Iced Earth.

League 3
Things are really starting to solidify around forum favourites like Dream Theater, Iced Earth, Megadeth, Black Sabbath...not much that jumped up and bit me this time. The game is moving into its standard form and I know all these albums.

League 2
I still don't get the appeal of Exodus, which was highly ranked by every publication pretty much and barely missed the League 1 cutoff. At the Gates getting beat by Scorpions was a headscratcher for me. I expected Tool vs GNR to be a fight, at least, but it was a stomping. The Black Album ends Annihilator's great run.

League 1
Really, not many surprises here. Megadave had some self-violence. I think Powerslave wins the only victory where the opposing album gets a single vote. Helloween offs Kill 'Em All in a big shocker, and nearly repeats it with Metallica. BNW taking out NOTB was a huge shock. But yeah, that's it for the GMAC!
 
Sabbat - Dreamweaver

This is the one that got stuck in my head the most. The lyrics here are superb, and the songs are pure thrash gold. And surprisingly catchy too! It does fall off a bit in the last two songs but they are great as well. I also really loved History of a Time to Come but this one takes the cake.

Yep that's another one I intend to pick up and A History of Time to Come, they've just been at take the piss prices the couple of times I've checked ebay.
 
That said, if anyone has ideas for how to avoid this in 2024, I'm listening.

I think maybe don't seed so many albums, maybe only one seeded album per band, and maybe only the top 32 bands? And then everyone else in from the start, with the 32 seeds coming in, maybe at the halfway point rather than close to the end, as if you put them in too late, e.g. the last 64 the seeds would probably take out the majority of the other albums first time out, but if you put them in at 128 or 256, maybe you'ld get a few shock eliminations and dark horse albums could get a bit of a run going.
 
Bands/Albums I discovered during this game:

Crimson Glory - Transcendence
I had previously heard Red Sharks by them as a friend had introduced me to their debut sometime in 2019, seeing it was coming up in this I gave it it a listen in advance, amazing album brilliant vocals, a true masterpiece.

Helloween - Keepers and Walls Of Jericho
Another I had heard bits and decided to take a deeper listen in preparation. While Kai isn't a great vocalist in my opinion I cannot deny How Many Tears from being an excellent track, and the epics from the Keeper's albums with Kiske are amazing.

Iced Earth - Burnt Offerings/Something Wicked/Night Of The Stormrider
Having listened to Dark Saga after the Iced Earth Survivor ended, I wasn't thrilled but I did like a few of the tracks and the album was solid as a whole but not entirely my thing. Another band which a second exposure to has helped greatly although I did get into them right before Schaffer went and flushed the bands future down the toilet.

Nightwish - All
Introduced briefly by Diesel when he did all the albums for his 365 albums project, plus owning Decades (which I didn't get into at the time). They were another band I really dove into and latched onto, they became one fo the bands I listened to the most currently and are the latest in my bands I fully immerse myself in resulting in other bands becoming more accessible based on the similarities. To think the first band in that line of immersing was Bon Jovi is fairly entertaining.

Opeth - Blackwater Park/Still Life/Ghost Reveries
I have never liked growls, but I was listening to The Lepper Affinity and it all clicked, so I have since grown to enjoy their music and the vocals don't bother me anymore although I haven't been able to branch out to other music with growls as of yet.

Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
An excellent progressive rock album, it takes the parts I enjoy from Opeth, Dream Theater and Rush while lightening them up soundwise creating a really enjoyable experience.

Savatage - Hall Of The Mountain King
It stuck around so I got to hear a fair bit of it, a strong album, quite unique sounding vocals which are overall pretty darn strong.

Stratovarius - Visions
I haven't really loved this band since discovering this album, but they do have a lot of potential, I likely will revisit them in the future.

Tool
I have not really liked Tool in the past but a coworker played The Pot at work and I heard some of their stuff again in this game so they will be given another chance in the near future.
 
Yep that's another one I intend to pick up and A History of Time to Come, they've just been at take the piss prices the couple of times I've checked ebay.
You seem to be looking for the original 1980s releases then?
 
You seem to be looking for the original 1980s releases then?

Not so much, just people looking for 10 euro and above postage to Ireland on the remasters, I know that if I bide my time they'll pop up for a more reasonable price. Saying that, as with all albums, I'd prefer the original release.
 
ha ha on ebay now, bought Dreamweaver for 12 euro all in, and there was another copy there that I didn't see for 6.95
 
Hats off, Canon, good game well played.
I remember enjoying some early atmospheric type album, possibly in French? I was addicted for a week. It had a black cover anyway. And Crimson Glory was fun. And I remember bein puzzled by Virgin Steele. So good and so bad. I also stopped listening to metal for 6 months. I have yet to fully recover. Im not sure if the cup played any part in me abandoning metal.
Either way, I highly enjoyed the exploration the game facilitated, while I was involved.
Much respect to the host and the contributors who made the thread enjoyable even when I would rather eat my own dick than listen to the music featured.
As for the result, aye, if something by Running Wild couldn't win then 7th Son is fine with me. I missed the final vote. I prefer 7th Son but I would have voted Powerslave. Combined with mckindogs vote, that would have meant a win for Powerslave, I believe.
 
The GMAC didn't really prompt any new discoveries that have stuck with me, but it did result in some rediscoveries. The extreme vocal arguments got me to spin Carcass, Death, and Nile again, and I had an absolute blast with them.

Here's the list I submitted to LC before the game began:

Ahab - The Call of the Wretched Sea
Alice in Chains - Dirt
Amputated - Wading Through Rancid Offal
Blaze - Silicon Messiah
Bruce Dickinson - Accident of Birth, The Chemical Wedding
Buckethead - Crime Slunk Scene
Iced Earth - Horror Show
Inhumano - Torturas de almas oscuras
Iron Maiden - Brave New World, Powerslave, The X Factor
King Diamond - Abigail
Marilyn Manson - Antichrist Superstar
Megadeth - Rust in Peace
Mercyful Fate - Don't Break the Oath
Metallica - Master of Puppets
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
Nightwish - Dark Passion Play, Once
Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
Rammstein - Mutter, Reise Reise
Sabaton - Carolus Rex
Slayer - Reign in Blood

Looking back on it, I still think it's a solid list, but there's a bit I'd change out. More Nightwish (Endless Forms Most Beautiful could have been a formidable challenger, I think), more Iced Earth (Something Wicked This Way Comes and possibly even Burnt Offerings definitely deserve nods, but then they both featured in the game anyway), and some fucking Symphony X (The Divine Wings of Tragedy, V: The New Mythology Suite, and The Odyssey being their Big 3).

In the extreme department I would 100% nominate Carcass's Heartwork, a stunning display or rough yet polished death metal. Nile's In Their Darkened Shrines and Annihilation of the Wicked also deserve to be here. I'd still nominate Amputated, cuz I do love that album (and LC's remarks whenever it comes up).

I would also nominate Bat Out of Hell and Bat Out of Hell II: Back Into Hell, not because they're metal, but because they're pop / rock albums written with a metal flair. And the guitars are 100% heavy metal gold IMO.

I would not nominate Marilyn Manson, firstly because of the abuse allegations, and secondly because Jesus Christ Superstar is far superior to Antichrist Superstar.

Thanks again for hosting LC! It's been fun and I look forward to the next addition to the Greatest Metal... Cups.
 
FYI, @LooseCannon provided me with the necessary details on how the GMAC nominees were seeded, so I am working out how to produce a full ranked list of the final results. It may take a while, though, because I need to reconstruct the vote data from the tournament chart. I’ll keep pecking away at it and post the list when it’s ready.

Methodology-wise, there were 8 seeding bins based on the number of nominations each album received, with MaidenFans nominations being counted with twice the strength of web site nominations. Since these bins were spread across all 18 leagues, albums from the lower seeding groups could have started across a wide range of possible leagues, so I’m going to try to account for that in the ranking. For example, if an album beat 3 other albums from the same seeding group but was eliminated in a lower league than some other album from the same seeding group that started in a later league due to random chance but was eliminated right away, the album that got more votes against its peers probably ought to be ranked higher. And any album that punched its way out of its seeding group ought to be ranked higher than an album that didn’t.

I’ll play around with a few models and see what seems most fair.
 
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