GREATEST METAL ALBUM CUP - Winner: Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son!

In a more casual forum, I would expect Metallica to trounce Screaming For Vengeance, but as we have proper hardcore fans here, I think this is the right reaction. I think the Black Album has a place in history, but it's not a place among the top 16 metal albums of all time.

Dream Theater are the flagbearers of progressive metal, for better or for worse. That their best and most notable album is their second is telling as to what their legacy outside of their fans will be. Painkiller is a far better and more influential album. That said, Images and Words deserves respect for being nominated as high as it was, and moving into the top 32 is an accomplishment.
 
Painkiller is the most overrated album on this board.
If it were that good, Rob Halford would've stayed in the band. Same argument goes for Fear of the Dark.

The album is too artificial for my ears, Diesel is right, this album was pretty monumental sounding and Priest became influential again. For all the wrong reasons, in my book.

The gist of my reasoning is best explained by comparing it to Seventh Son, and live versions of the songs against eachother too. What I clearly hear, is that Painkiller as album is severely heavier than anything Maiden have done to that point, including Seventh Son, but that relation gets flipped over once live stuff is compared. It doesn't matter who's really heavier in live setting, that's not what it's all about, but it shows the extra factor that Painkiller achieved with studio magic. As I've said before, the bottom end is horrible, and for someone like me who could listen to Harris&McBrain all day long, this is a gigantic no no. Screaming is a far better album.
 
LooseCannon said:
In a more casual forum, I would expect Metallica to trounce Screaming For Vengeance, but as we have proper hardcore fans here, I think this is the right reaction. I think the Black Album has a place in history, but it's not a place among the top 16 metal albums of all time.

Dream Theater are the flagbearers of progressive metal, for better or for worse. That their best and most notable album is their second is telling as to what their legacy outside of their fans will be. Painkiller is a far better and more influential album. That said, Images and Words deserves respect for being nominated as high as it was, and moving into the top 32 is an accomplishment.
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Hmm, Scenes From a Memory is regarded as their best just as often as Images and Words, I would say.
 
Zare said:
Painkiller is the most overrated album on this board.
If it were that good, Rob Halford would've stayed in the band.
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Rob Halford left - By accident. He was convinced by his rookie manager that he had to technically resign as board member to sign Fight’s contract, which he did by fax. It spawned a rage call from the band manager and Rob, who avoids conflict by default, hung up and it spun out of control from there. That was it. It’s pretty well described in his book. Now, Painkiller wasn’t that big of a commercial success and the band worn out from touring and conflicts but the album was that good.
 
LooseCannon said:
Among the Dream Theater fans? Sure. Among the common metal populace? Nah.
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*With the disclaimer that it is held up as one of the best concept albums in all of music, beyond metal.

Yax said:
Nah. But Hell Patrol? Yeah.
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The Yaxophone strikes again. Bruh. “Metal Meltdown” is pretty strong but has a wobbly chorus. “Hell Patrol” is the best Priest song.
 
Diesel 11 said:
*With the disclaimer that it is held up as one of the best concept albums in all of music, beyond metal.


The Yaxophone strikes again. Bruh. “Metal Meltdown” is pretty strong but has a wobbly chorus. “Hell Patrol” is the best Priest song.
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Hey, Hell Patrol is really good. But the vocal line and lyrics in the chorus is boring compared to the rest of the song.
 
Yax said:
Rob Halford left - By accident. He was convinced by his rookie manager that he had to technically resign as board member to sign Fight’s contract, which he did by fax. It spawned a rage call from the band manager and Rob, who avoids conflict by default, hung up and it spun out of control from there. That was it. It’s pretty well described in his book. Now, Painkiller wasn’t that big of a commercial success and the band worn out from touring and conflicts but the album was that good.
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Really??? I’ve never heard this story before, I just assumed he wanted to “spread his wings” with other influences like Bruce did. So it was all for nothing, damn.
 
Saapanael said:
I gave Painkiller a spin and here's my conclusion, in order of appearance.

Top-tier Priest songs: Painkiller, Hell Patrol, Night Crawler, Between the Hammer, A Touch of Evil, One Shot at Glory
Good songs: All Guns Blazing, Leather Rebel, Metal Meltdown
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That would be my breakdown too. If you took those last 3 and put them in a different context of a more varied album, they would stand out more as being very corny and metal-by-numbers, but they get away with it in the context of Painkiller where the whole album is going for that sort of a vibe.
 
srfc said:
That would be my breakdown too. If you took those last 3 and put them in a different context of a more varied album, they would stand out more as being very corny and metal-by-numbers, but they get away with it in the context of Painkiller where the whole album is going for that sort of a vibe.
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Yeah, exactly. Post nr 9999 here, by the way. What should my 10,000th post on the forum be like?
 
Diesel 11 said:
Really??? I’ve never heard this story before, I just assumed he wanted to “spread his wings” with other influences like Bruce did. So it was all for nothing, damn.
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That's true in a sense - Things weren't right in the band, with Glenn and KK constantly going at it and Rob needed a break, try something else for a bit, but he never intended to actually leave. Just get a way for a shorter time to re-energize himself, and since things weren't well within the group, the circumstances weren't properly conveyed due to poor communication. I think he mentioned KK being a bit burnt out himself and all the band members didn't really want to do the Operation RocknRoll tour, but they ended up doing it instead of taking a well needed break.
 
Yax said:
Rob Halford left - By accident. He was convinced by his rookie manager that he had to technically resign as board member to sign Fight’s contract, which he did by fax. It spawned a rage call from the band manager and Rob, who avoids conflict by default, hung up and it spun out of control from there. That was it. It’s pretty well described in his book.
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I can't say I disbelieve the official version. But how does it reconcile with the fact that Halford was out of Priest for a long time, afterwards?
 
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