I rarely even notice sample songs so it's not really an issue. All these albums are so well known y'all should really know their tracklists.
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Diesel 11
As you scream into the web of silence...
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1) The wrong song wasn't "War Pigs", where I suppose an actual argument could be made - though again anyone who doesn't know that that song is from Paranoid is likely not playing this game in the first place - but "Children of the Grave", which is actually probably a lesser known song when compared to Black Sabbath's title track.
2) LC changed the sample song to "The Wizard", which isn't typically considered one of the band's greatest moments. The sample song from SFSGSW is fucking "In My Darkest Hour", the most famous from the record AND one of Megadeth's most popular songs. If this was a song tournament I would be highly surprised if Megadeth didn't win. Even if "Children of the Grave" was up against it, I'd consider putting money on Megadeth. I really think you're arguing in bad faith here because you can't comprehend why people are voting against SFSGSW, but I could be wrong. It's fine either way. I can't comprehend why they voted for SFSGSW over Symphony X, but it's what it is.
1) The wrong song wasn't "War Pigs", where I suppose an actual argument could be made - though again anyone who doesn't know that that song is from Paranoid is likely not playing this game in the first place - but "Children of the Grave", which is actually probably a lesser known song when compared to Black Sabbath's title track.
2) LC changed the sample song to "The Wizard", which isn't typically considered one of the band's greatest moments. The sample song from SFSGSW is fucking "In My Darkest Hour", the most famous from the record AND one of Megadeth's most popular songs. If this was a song tournament I would be highly surprised if Megadeth didn't win. Even if "Children of the Grave" was up against it, I'd consider putting money on Megadeth. I really think you're arguing in bad faith here because you can't comprehend why people are voting against SFSGSW, but I could be wrong. It's fine either way. I can't comprehend why they voted for SFSGSW over Symphony X, but it's what it is.
Yeah, this. For over half of the game I would say it's a valid argument, but we're in the final stretch, these are albums almost everybody has heard something from, if not spun the full records multiple times.
Still, the exception offer is there.
Jer
A window to the west, a blazing star above
The title of the sample song in the preview said “Black Sabbath - War Pigs”. Whether it actually played that song or not, I don’t know.
Hilarious that you’re continuing to go on about this like you have some point to make. The sample song was wrong for most of the match, in a potentially problematic way. LC has offered to let people change their vote if it was improperly influenced by this mistake, which is an appropriate response. I don’t have any issue with how the vote turns out as long as the outcome wasn’t swayed by people thinking a famous song they liked was on the album when it wasn’t.
I get it, you like the boring-ass Sabbath debut. Good for you. That has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand, though.
Diesel 11
As you scream into the web of silence...
LC has made the same mistake before and corrected it, and I never saw you complaining then. Hence why I feel you're arguing in bad faith. They're monster albums, everyone here should know that "War Pigs" and "Children of the Grave" are not on Black Sabbath. LC offering people the ability to change their votes is great and I'm not arguing against that, I'm arguing against your notion that 20 people made a mistake when they voted, which is what your posts have been implying. Maybe one person, but I HIGHLY doubt it.
Again, these are titans, we're at a point where everyone know the records. It's Black Sabbath and Megadeth, two bands that are really popular on MaidenFans. If it was Coroner vs Acid Bath then you've got a valid argument, they're lesser known bands and the sample song is really important. But not Black Sabbath and Megadeth.
The fact that you're still going on about it after LC corrected the mistake is why I'm "still going on about this like I've got some point to make". I get it, you like the boring-ass Megadeth album, and I'm saying that it looks to me like you're getting your knickers in a twist because your favorite Megadeth album is losing to a Sabbath record that you don't like and you can't understand why this is happening except for - say, LC made a mistake! He corrected that mistake, but CLEARLY it must still be tripping up 20 voters! And my argument is that no, the album is losing because 20 people would rather hear Black Sabbath.
There was a mistake and I'm glad it was rectified, but that doesn't change that everyone knows these albums and the sample song really doesn't make much difference. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would bet money that no one will change their votes and that Black Sabbath will win tomorrow. If I'm wrong, so be it. But I highly doubt it. Maybe that's vain of me, but I'm just responding in kind.
Honestly, I think that's enough.
Jer
A window to the west, a blazing star above
They implied nothing of the kind. Read them again. That argument only existed in your own head.
I had never listened to the Black Sabbath debut all the way through before the GMAC, so you’re wrong. Again.
Remember that the web only came into existence in 1994, and readily available streams of all albums came significantly after that. When I was your age, you only heard a song if you bought the album, if you heard it on the radio, or if a friend of yours owned the album. Some record stores had listening rooms, but that wasn’t super common. Since I never got around to listening to some of this vintage stuff I’d never fully heard after streaming would have made it easy to do so, there’s plenty of this kind of stuff that I’m not fully familiar with.
I thought the woke youngins were all about not making assumptions that other people’s experiences were the same as their own...? Oops.
That’s the most astute thing you’ve said so far.
Do I think the Megadeth album is going to pull it out? Probably not. Should the playing field be fair? Yes. Would 20 people have to change their votes to change the outcome? No, because a changed vote would shift the margin by 2 votes, not 1. Should you go off on a tear because of something you incorrectly assumed about my point, rather than reading what I actually wrote and taking it at face value? I’ll leave that as an exercise for the reader.
Detective Beauregard
Leviathan of Doggerland
I like the chaotic sound of Mary Jane, but there are few Megadeth albums that I’d rank lower than SFSGSW. Maybe Risk and Supercollider? SFSGSW is around the same quality as their debut to me, although I’ll admit that I haven’t listened to the debut in a long time. Let’s not forget that this album is sandwiched between two of their greatest, and half the band on it were in one door and out the other.
Come to think of it, Risk is a far more consistent album than SFSGSW. It may be pop rock, but it’s more consistent.
Jer
A window to the west, a blazing star above
Oh, the humanity. What songs on SFSGSW are worse than “Prince Of Darkness”, “The Doctor Is Calling”, or anything from “Ecstasy” through the end of the album?
Yes, Risk has a few good songs on it if you can take its pop leanings. But consistent? Really...?
JudasMyGuide
Ancient Mariner
I never really wanted to ignore users around here, but this here thread just might make me do it eventually.
Anyway, Candlemass with what was originally supposed to be a pity vote, until I saw that they're doing real fine while still losing. Still, the CM's genre intrigues me more, I think that Holy Diver is uneven (killer stuff like the title track, Caught in the Middle, Rainbow in the Dark next to fluff like Invisible, Strangers or even Gypsy or the opener) and I (predictably) dislike its cover.
I think I'd rather take the cheese of Helloween's Keeper 2, even with atrocities like Rise and Fall just for the highlights (Eagles, the title track - sorta, I Want Out or You Always Walk Alone) over Metallica just-about-grasping what will actually make them listenable in the future. Horsemen are overrated and so is Seek and Destroy... I like Motorbreath and Whiplash and maybe No Remorse and that's about it - all the more frustrating because I know how great the following albums are going to be.
GnR, though it's close. But still, I shouldn't vote for JP. Personal prejudice, y'know? Acquired in this very cup.
Black Sabbath, although the album's the weakest of the first six, but, you know, brand loyalty and shit. Still, weak Ozzy Sabbath beats even average Megadeth any time of the year.
Also, just for the record @LooseCannon , don't worry, mistakes are made, especially at this scope and you definitely didn't influence the votes in this regard, the last page or so is just silly. You're doing great.
Heck, the presence of War Pigs would make the BS debut a worse album (at least there you won't get "masses" rhymed with "masses). Also, WP are a f**** slog.
Anyway, Candlemass with what was originally supposed to be a pity vote, until I saw that they're doing real fine while still losing. Still, the CM's genre intrigues me more, I think that Holy Diver is uneven (killer stuff like the title track, Caught in the Middle, Rainbow in the Dark next to fluff like Invisible, Strangers or even Gypsy or the opener) and I (predictably) dislike its cover.
I think I'd rather take the cheese of Helloween's Keeper 2, even with atrocities like Rise and Fall just for the highlights (Eagles, the title track - sorta, I Want Out or You Always Walk Alone) over Metallica just-about-grasping what will actually make them listenable in the future. Horsemen are overrated and so is Seek and Destroy... I like Motorbreath and Whiplash and maybe No Remorse and that's about it - all the more frustrating because I know how great the following albums are going to be.
GnR, though it's close. But still, I shouldn't vote for JP. Personal prejudice, y'know? Acquired in this very cup.
Black Sabbath, although the album's the weakest of the first six, but, you know, brand loyalty and shit. Still, weak Ozzy Sabbath beats even average Megadeth any time of the year.
Also, just for the record @LooseCannon , don't worry, mistakes are made, especially at this scope and you definitely didn't influence the votes in this regard, the last page or so is just silly. You're doing great.
Heck, the presence of War Pigs would make the BS debut a worse album (at least there you won't get "masses" rhymed with "masses). Also, WP are a f**** slog.
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I almost liked your post until this line. Dude.
Detective Beauregard
Leviathan of Doggerland
Prince of Darkness is horribly cheesy but it’s great. Crush ‘Em is stupidly catchy, Breadline, I’ll Be There, the Time songs, I think there was a good western-sounding song in there somewhere? I don’t remember, but I do remember that half of SFSFSW is bottom of the barrel filler. The awful punk cover and “Pull over, this is the cops!” are prime examples. There’s a few more, too. I used to like Hook in Mouth but on repeat listens it just sounds like an angry teenager who can’t get his way.
I love Megadeth but this is just not one of their highlights to me. Peace Sells, Rust, Countdown, System... those are probably my favorite ‘Deth albums. Cryptic Writings was also solid, and Youthanasia would’ve been better if it weren’t all at the same tempo (but it’s still more than half quality). UA, Endgame, and Dystopia were all pretty good, too.
I think Risk is quite a bit worse than any of the classic Megadave albums.
Detective Beauregard
Leviathan of Doggerland
The highs on SFSGSW are surely better than anything from Risk, but there are so few highs. I was simply saying that Risk is a more consistent listen.