DREAM THEATER SURVIVOR 2016: Results -> A Change Of Seasons wins!

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Definitely try him, @Collin . He has tried a lot of things - pseudo-classical, prog, ambient, techno, pop, rock... and there are moments on either Tubular Bells, Ommadawn, Crises or the already mentioned Taurus II (off Five Miles Out, BTW), which are yet to be surpassed, as far as I'm concerned. In fact, Crises, where the title "wackathon" is really heavy on electronics (which I usually hate) and the second half is mostly pop just might be one of my favourite albums ever.

It's not that often I'd find an album where the cover

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would raise such similar emotions as the music itself did. I might be overrating it, but if only for the ridiculously famous Moonlight Shadow and the Jon Anderson and Roger Chapman guest spots, it's a must-hear. :D

"The watcher and the tower // Waiting hour by hour..."

P. S. - You also must try Ommadawn (oooh, the part from around 6:50 onwards!) and Taurus II (the whole thing), but that's understood, right? :D

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END OF DIGRESSION - I'm returning back to Dream Theater, don't worry. ;)
 
Listened to Train Of Thought in the car today so I could decide what to vote for. Probably won't be able to do a more in depth listen/essay until Monday so I wanted to vote right away. As I figured, This Dying Soul and Vacant are my least favorites and the only ToT songs I want to vote for right now. They're good but one suffers from a lackluster second half and the other doesn't do much for me out of context.
 
Train of Thought is right up there with DT's best for me. DT's heavy side tends to come with mixed results, but they really nailed it on this album. One thing that makes it work is how raw this album is. There aren't a ton of guitar overdubs and multiple parts overcomplicating the music (Systematic Chaos). It's riff driven throughout and the proggy sections never feel out of place. JP is still innovating as a guitarist, experimenting with a different soloing style and also going all out with alternate tunings (3 of the songs are in C standard).

As I Am - As far as awesome openers go, this one is probably DT's Aces High. Seeing them open with this in 2010 with Maiden pretty much instantly made me a fan. Awesome riffs and they really nailed that proggy but Metal sound. Also one of my favorite Petrucci solos. There's a lot of shredding going on, but it's still pretty clearly well thought out. I also like that they didn't put a ton of rhythm guitar tracks underneath, really just sounds like the band jamming. The drum solo after seems to recall Tom Sawyer by Rush. Also JLB channeling James Hetfield.
Also like Ace's High, I find this song to be a step below most of the rest of the album. It's great live and a good way to start but the album really starts to pick up later on.

This Dying Soul - This is a song I'm conflicted on. I love the first half, at its best it is better than The Glass Prison. It manages to maintain the heaviness but it's significantly more melodic. A lot of the riffs introduced here would really become major themes for the rest of the suite. The verse riff for this song could probably be considered the "main riff" of the suite, as it shows up so much and is the basis for two songs (the other being Repentance). JLB also handles this song a bit better than TGP. Some really great guitar/keyboard leads throughout too. And that rhythm (which was apparently stolen from Ark) is awesome. Also love the piano playing on this, love when Rudess puts the synths away for a moment and does some acoustic piano stuff.
However, once it brings back that Glass Prison riff things kind of fall apart for me. The riff is awesome, as is the one that comes after, but something about this part just feels off. That odd time signature riff with all the vocal panning and effects just feels too much like a mess. I'm all for crazy polyrhythms and stuff but here it's a little too chaotic. There's too much going on. I also noticed during this listen that they really abuse the "shrink and grow" think. It's classic on Fatal Tragedy and also very cool on TGP but here it's starting to sound forced. Like they had to do something like that. I also dislike the solo section. Neither solos are bad but not very remarkable and the riffs underneath aren't as good. The unison at the end is impressive but feels tacked on. With that being said, if you edit the beginning of The Root of All Evil out and connect it to the end of TDS it actually makes for an effective transition.

So overall, it's a mixed bag. If it was just the first 6 minutes it would probably be my second favorite on the album, but the rest brings it down quite a bit. So it gets a vote.

Endless Sacrifice - The infamous Endless Wanking. This is the beginning of DT writing songs using the Maiden method of soft intro/heavy middle/soft outro. There seemed to be at least one on each album after this until Portnoy left, so I wonder if this was something he was fond of. Anyway, I really like this song and I think the instrumental section is awesome and gets a bit too much flak. There are so many awesome riffs in this song, starting with the chorus. That might be one of my favorite DT riffs. The way this song builds up is really cool too. The instrumental section doesn't just come out of nowhere, they build up to it and it flows really well. And again, the riffs underneath the solos are awesome. It gets a little proggy at times but I like that the entire instrumental is primarily riff driven, that doesn't happen often with DT. JR's keyboard melodies before his solos are mixed pretty low too which makes me think they wanted you to focus more on the riffs and the keyboard melodies were there more for effect. As for the actual keyboard solo, I think it's really good. The crazy sound effects at the beginning are cool. JP's solo is awesome. I love how he's going more for a shreddy thing here. He's still trying to do different things with his playing and I can appreciate that. He also shreds better than a lot of the shredders out there, so there's that. The twin lead that comes after the solos is like Maiden on steroids. And the riff that comes before the vocals return is pretty Maiden-esque as well IMO. Anyway, the twin thing to the end of the song is my favorite part of the song and really puts this one high in my rankings. Awesome riffs, great vocal delivery from JLB, and a crushing finale. Great song.

Honor Thy Father - Love this song. Never got the hate with it. It's like The Glass Prison, heavy throughout with a seemingly endless supply of awesome riffs. Not a lot to say about this song, it isn't very complicated, actually very simple for a DT song, but I get a lot of enjoyment out of it. The instrumental section is really interesting. There aren't any crazy unisons or proggy odd time signature riffs (although it goes back and forth from 6/8 to 5/8 a lot) and there's no guitar solo. Instead they seemed to try layering keyboard parts and playing with samples which is really cool. More about creating an atmosphere/mood than showing off technical abilities. It's one of the more dynamic DT instrumental sections and probably the single reason why I rank this song so high.

Vacant - A much needed break in the heaviness but probably among my least favorite DT ballads. I like how it's based on the Stream of Consciousness riff (or vice versa?) and there's nothing wrong with it overall but it doesn't really do anything for me beyond that. It's like they felt that they needed to put a ballad on the album and quickly wrote this. It gets a vote.

Stream of Consciousness - The only DT album where my favorite song is the instrumental. This song is so awesome, I like that they did it differently from their other instrumentals. Musically it's pretty simple but there are just so many cool riffs and melodies. I feel like this is the sort of thing Metallica was trying to do with that instrumental on Death Magnetic, just a cool showcase for riffs. DT does it far better though. Funnily enough, this song reminds me of Call of Ktulu at times, which is one of my favorite Metallica songs. This is also notable for having some really great solos from JP. Here he really merges his sense of melody and phrasing with the shreddy style he's maintained for the whole album. His second solo in particular is among my favorite moments on the album and the piano solo that comes after is pretty awesome too. I also like the Bach-esque rephrasing of the riff toward the end followed by the keyboard solo. Very Rick Wakeman like. The way it the parts layer at the end is almost too much for my ears to handle. In fact, DT (i.e. Portnoy) seem to really love the sudden endings (ala I Want You/She's So Heavy by the Beatles) and I actually think it would've been cool if this song ended that way. Just stop the song while the parts are being layered.
I would love to see DT write another instrumental like this and was slightly disappointed that Enigma Machine was less like this and more like Ytse Jam. I called The Dance of Eternity the best DT instrumental previously and I think I still stand by that, but this comes very close. Awesome stuff.

In the Name of God - This song feels like a bonus track to me. Something about it just feels really removed from the rest of the album. It's still heavy but a bit more on the proggy side and feels like the obligatory "epic" on an album full of similar length songs. That doesn't say anything about the quality of the song of course, just a thought about its place on the album. I still rank it very high. Again, great riffs and some really cool melodies. The other songs on this album tend to stay in one place and don't progress too much but this one really has a lot of twists and turns. It does really feel like an epic despite being on the shorter side of their modern epics. Really shows you don't need length to do something special. Also one of the best choruses in the DT catalog. The instrumental section is nuts, the unison is so frustratingly difficult that every time I attempt to learn it I have no idea how to approach it. It's also pretty unusual for JP being primarily legato when he tends to be all about alternate picking. Also interesting is that the keyboard solo has no guitar part under it. One of the few moments in a DT song where JP just stops playing for an extended period while the rest of the band continue (not counting times where the whole band stops and it's just one member). I wish he'd do that more. The riff coming out of the instrumental section never fails to get me pumped. The ending is epic. The woah oh oh's are straight out of the Maiden playbook. Again, we get a bit of restraint from JP just hanging on the chords while JR takes the lead on the piano. I also dig how they threw in The Battle Hymn of the Republic. Definitely would've been a cool song to see live.
Also, JR plays the final note with his nose.

Ranking:
1: Stream of Consciousness
2: In the Name of God
3: Honor Thy Father
4: Endless Sacrifice
5: As I Am
6: This Dying Soul
7: Vacant
 
Stream of Consciousness - The only DT album where my favorite song is the instrumental. This song is so awesome, I like that they did it differently from their other instrumentals. Musically it's pretty simple but there are just so many cool riffs and melodies. I feel like this is the sort of thing Metallica was trying to do with that instrumental on Death Magnetic, just a cool showcase for riffs. DT does it far better though. Funnily enough, this song reminds me of Call of Ktulu at times, which is one of my favorite Metallica songs. This is also notable for having some really great solos from JP. Here he really merges his sense of melody and phrasing with the shreddy style he's maintained for the whole album. His second solo in particular is among my favorite moments on the album and the piano solo that comes after is pretty awesome too. I also like the Bach-esque rephrasing of the riff toward the end followed by the keyboard solo. Very Rick Wakeman like. The way it the parts layer at the end is almost too much for my ears to handle. In fact, DT (i.e. Portnoy) seem to really love the sudden endings (ala I Want You/She's So Heavy by the Beatles) and I actually think it would've been cool if this song ended that way. Just stop the song while the parts are being layered.
I would love to see DT write another instrumental like this and was slightly disappointed that Enigma Machine was less like this and more like Ytse Jam. I called The Dance of Eternity the best DT instrumental previously and I think I still stand by that, but this comes very close. Awesome stuff.

Endless Sacrifice - The infamous Endless Wanking. This is the beginning of DT writing songs using the Maiden method of soft intro/heavy middle/soft outro. There seemed to be at least one on each album after this until Portnoy left, so I wonder if this was something he was fond of. Anyway, I really like this song and I think the instrumental section is awesome and gets a bit too much flak. There are so many awesome riffs in this song, starting with the chorus. That might be one of my favorite DT riffs. The way this song builds up is really cool too. The instrumental section doesn't just come out of nowhere, they build up to it and it flows really well. And again, the riffs underneath the solos are awesome. It gets a little proggy at times but I like that the entire instrumental is primarily riff driven, that doesn't happen often with DT. JR's keyboard melodies before his solos are mixed pretty low too which makes me think they wanted you to focus more on the riffs and the keyboard melodies were there more for effect. As for the actual keyboard solo, I think it's really good. The crazy sound effects at the beginning are cool. JP's solo is awesome. I love how he's going more for a shreddy thing here. He's still trying to do different things with his playing and I can appreciate that. He also shreds better than a lot of the shredders out there, so there's that. The twin lead that comes after the solos is like Maiden on steroids. And the riff that comes before the vocals return is pretty Maiden-esque as well IMO. Anyway, the twin thing to the end of the song is my favorite part of the song and really puts this one high in my rankings. Awesome riffs, great vocal delivery from JLB, and a crushing finale. Great song.

Sir, I tip my hat off to you :notworthy: and I want to be forever friends. :cheers: Finally someone!!! :yey:
 
Finally Free
Great Debate
Disappear
Six Degrees
Vacant

I'll give my reasoning for my votes, along with some general thoughts on 6DOIT and Train of Thought, tomorrow when I have more time.
 
I voted for:

Strange Deja Vu - a strong compact song but doesn't quite hold up against all the competition and may get boring after some time. I think this was the first DT song I learned to play and it made me appreciate Petrucci's rhythm work a lot. Fantastic chorus and a cool groovy part in the middle - a very SFaM song overall.
The Great Debate - some very good riffs and nice JLB moments scattered over this song but five minutes of Fox News is just too much. :yawn:
Disappear - fuck, this is actually a beautiful song, especially the ending where distorted guitars kick in. The vocal melodies rule and the haunting synth outro is something special. It's just a bit of a mood piece, not something I'd listen to at any time.
As I Am - This song made me discover DT's heavy side: ominous feel, cool driving riffs, tough guy vocal lines etc. It's just that over time, this has been overshadowed by other ToT songs for me. I don't find it as interesting anymore, although it is still a kickass song and an energy booster at the right moments. One of Petrucci's weaker "wank" solos on the album as well.
Vacant - a beautiful interlude but nothing more than that. Definitely a small rest from the heavy drilling that is the rest of the album though.

Now that I think about it, I'm not more a fan of SOC than I am a fan of As I Am so I should've voted for either both or neither of them. Each one will survive this round anyway so it doesn't matter.
 
Sorry for the double post but I also want to express some feelings about other songs.

This Dying Soul - this one is filled with quality heavy content from start to end. The intro solo, the riffs, the chorus - nothing bad to say about any of those. It's also the first song I heard with the heavy breakdown riff at 6:30. Loved it ever since, although I later discovered its rendition in The Shattered Fortress, and even later the original one in The Glass Prison. Now that's a classic! With Petrucci's skill, you wouldn't expect such a simplistic riff to be one of the highpoints of the song. The low string chug coupled with a massive tone is just perfection. Another highlight is obviously the arpeggio lick at the beginning. As for both songs, my attention starts to weaken at some point but is brought back in This Dying Soul by wankery done right. The snare/guitar ending is a perfect way to finish this song. All in all, TGP has both the peaks and lowpoints of the two suite songs.

Honor Thy Father - It's cool to kick this one off with a little drum solo. "Don't cross the crooked step" is a fun little transition into the narrative section. "Never in my life have I seen someone..." is among the most memorable lines on the album for me. I want to see you angry, JLB! It is a song that nicely alternates between pure heaviness and beautiful melodies. Another one that does this well is Endless Sacrifice. Besides the clean intro, the song's strength is found in the unison and the riffs that follow it. The middle part is a bit of extra wankery that doesn't make an impression on me.

Stream of Consciousness
- Along with As I Am, one of my early favourites off of TOT. A phenomenal main riff, no doubt, it's just that it's repeated too much and the song is overlong. While mainly a guitar song, there is also some cool synth work, near the 7-minute mark for example.

In the Name of God - this is something of a magnum opus for the album. It has everything that you'd find in the other songs and sounds more dramatic because of the chorus and outro. The instrumental section is what blows minds here. On top of being the ultimate display of skill, I like the eastern feeling it has at times. Just a grand conclusion to it all.

Blind Faith
- this one took a while to click for me. I still don't hold it in as high regard as many people here but it's a well-composed piece with a steady and logical development. The chorus is good. Petrucci's first solo is not anything too special here but Rudess' piano and synth solo lead right into a legendary unison. It's so fun to listen to! Two instruments locked into each other note-for-note at such high tempo is unbelievable.

As for either album's extra ingredient, SDOIT has a fantastic polished sound that few other DT albums come close to. The drums sounded bigger than ever and the whole mix sat together really well. TOT, with the intention of a raw balls-to-the-wall, does not need to sound as crisp and clean but there are occasions where poor sonic decisions lower the quality of a section, some Rudess and Petrucci solos for example. But then TOT is DT's ultimate heavy riffage album where going all out on fast and furious playing fuels whole songs, more so than on any other album. To quote a Japanese DT fan: "So energy, power!!!"
 
These votes for SFAM songs are insane. You guys are blasphemers. From that album I'm voting for Strange Déjà Vu (I have to protect the top 3 from this album since you guys are just gonna vote for SFAM songs until 3 are promoted <_<), The Dance Of Eternity and The Spirit Carries On.

The Glass Prison, Misunderstood and The Great Debate are all great songs. I think they could've trimmed a few minutes from each song, but that goes for a lot of DT songs, so... :p Blind Faith and Disappear are forgettable.
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (the song) has some solid parts but it's incredibly overlong and can't justify it's length. One of those songs that are enjoyable to listen to but are entirely forgettable afterwards. Then again, I'm not really a big fan of long songs that have multiple different parts that can't stand on their own. Also I think the only songs longer than 20 minutes I like are The Odyssey and Duel With The Devil and both of those are super catchy.

Train Of Thought is my 2nd least favorite album so far, only the debut is worse. I don't like style of this album. Songs are too long and too heavy for DT. There's not much breathing space apart from Vacant.
As I Am is overrated but is still the 2nd best song on this album. Blatant Metallica worship though.
This Dying Soul has some great parts, but silly rap vocals ruin it.
Endless Sacrifice is easily the best song on this album.
Honor Thy Father is just forgettable.
Vacant is OK for an interlude.
Stream Of Consciousness is probably their best instrumental, but still not particularly memorable.
In The Name Of God is overlong but doesn't have much of a competition for the 3rd best song of the album.

Voting for the songs in bold. Locking this now so that I can update :)
 
Fatal Tragedy
Finally Free
Misunderstood and The Great Debate - although I like both quite a bit, the former is a little slow for me and the latter would be far better minus 5 minutes of samples
6DIE
 
Home - Great song, but the other remaining three are the strongest on SFAM in my opinion
Dance - One of the band's weaker instrumentals; it's really just a wankfest whose only claim to fame is the "wow" factor
Misunderstood - I didn't want to vote for this but the other three are easily stronger (Great Debate just SLIGHLTY so, but I love the concept)
Six Degrees - Worst song on the album save for Disappear; I don't get the love for it
As I Am - Good, but too simple for me compared to most of the rest of the album
Endless - Worst song on Train for me due to the cheesy "metal ballad" aspect (they've written FAR stronger ballads) and the wankfest section
 
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