DREAM THEATER SURVIVOR 2016: Results -> A Change Of Seasons wins!

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First of all, I think this album being a sellout or one of their worst or whatever is an attitude that's perpetuated by the band (MP in particular). Most fans seem OK with it, maybe they don't all love it but I've found more people dislike their newer albums and the debut. It seems universally considered underrated, which to me says that it isn't underrated at all. :p I wasn't there when it came out, so maybe the reception was different at the time but I think it has aged well for most people. Personally, I think it's a solid effort. It's about on par with ADTOE for me; there is nothing blow-your-mind amazing on here and some of DT's worst songs live here, but I can skip the bad stuff and get a pretty solid 50 minute album. I don't really care about them sounding commercial or whatever, I love the more melodic accessible side of DT. Sonically, this is hands down their best album. I love how they're experimenting with different sounds and instruments here. The production is top notch and this album really has a unique sound to it. No two DT albums sound alike and this one is probably the most unique even for DT standards.

Love New Millennium. The polyrhythmic stuff is straight out of the King Crimson playbook. It's something different for them and sets the tone for the album pretty well. It's still heavy, but a bit lighter and maybe slightly commercial for DT standards. I'm going to vote for it though, as I feel only 3 FII songs isn't enough and this is unfortunately the next one on the list.

You Not Me, whatever. I don't hate it, but it was definitely a creative misstep. It will get my vote. I actually haven't listened to this in a very long time, every time I put on FII I skip it. FII might also be the only album where I'll skip songs. But that's more because there's stuff on here worth listening to, unlike Systematic Chaos where I don't skip any songs because I never listen to it. :D Anyway, I don't care that this song is "commercial" or that they worked with Desmond Child or whatever. My problem with the song is that it's generic and boring. It's obvious to me that nobody cared when they were working on it.

Peruvian Skies is probably the "classic" song from this album and one of their more memorable shorter songs. It's totally Pink Floyd meets Metallica. Who would've thought a combination like that would work? It was also cool how they'd jam on both Have A Cigar and Enter Sandman during this song live. The Metallica influence is mostly in the riffing toward the end. The descending stuff with hints of chromaticism. Very Metallica-like riffing. The guitar solo in this is also one of Petrucci's best. I really like how this song builds up, it really highlights one of the major strengths of this album: dynamics. I've seen criticisms of DT that they don't play with dynamics anymore. While I consider DT12 a better album as a whole, I have a hard time arguing with that when listening to this.

Hollow Years is incredible. Glad to see it getting love here, it's one of the best songs on the album. To Knick's point about the anti-ballad bias around here, I won't be voting for any of the ballads from this album this first round. I do really miss how DT used to experiment with other styles. I can't see them writing a song like this today.

Burning My Soul, awful song. It's my second least favorite DT track. Everything about this song is so generic and dull, from the riff that plods on and on to the lame chorus, to the forced odd time signature bridge. It gets my vote. The worst thing about this song though is honestly JLB. He handles his more limited range well on most of this album, but I really think this song would've benefitted from a more aggressive Metal vocalist. Case in point, here's Devin Townsend doing the song with PSMS (Portnoy, Sheehan, MacAlpine, Sherinian):

He's mostly screwing around on a song he barely knows, but listen to how he belts out the chorus. That alone almost saves it. I'll give Portnoy credit on this one, I actually like a lot of the lyrics on this. You can really feel his frustration during the making of this album.

The first half of the album is shaky, but it picks up big time at Hell's Kitchen and stays at a high level for the most part. I can't take anyone seriously who complains about DT "wanking" and then votes for Hell's Kitchen. I honestly prefer this to Erotomania, Ytse Jam, and Enigma Machine. The way it builds up is so cool, the band is playing with dynamics and mood here instead of showing off. The outro is one of the best Dream Theater moments ever recorded. It's short but so what? It's just an awesome musical moment.

Lines In the Sand is easily my favorite song on the album. I feel like this song is Petrucci's answer to a lot of the late 80s/90s shredders out there. Take away the vocals and this could've easily been on an album by Satriani, Vai, MacAlpine, Lane, etc. It's that same sort of guitar driven rock with a badass solo in the middle. But it also has vocals and the vocal parts are pretty cool, if unnecessary. Love the guest appearance from the King's X guy, he's a great singer who doesn't get enough credit. JLB also does a good job on this. But lets talk about the real main event of this song: JP's guitar solo. I'm not even going to try to describe how good it is. Just listen to it. That's how you write a great guitar solo. That's his La Villa Strangiato/Comfortably Numb/Eruption/Insert Legendary Guitar Solo Here. Anyone who says DT is all style and no substance, skip to 5:35 in Lines In the Sand. Not only is it a good guitar solo, but the rhythm section behind it is perfect. Derek in particular does a great job interacting with JP's playing. It's like an actual musical conversation. Kevin Moore never really did that, he had a very self centered style of playing (who would've guessed?).

I really like Take Away My Pain. It's a little bit U2ish, but still really good. Heartfelt lyrics and an awesome buildup. This is one of those songs that's really elevated by the arrangement and the production. The layering of the guitars, the synth pads, the tape effects. All really neat things. It takes the song from being a nice ballad to a really atmospheric special song. I don't know why it doesn't get more appreciation. My favorite part is the bridge. Not only does it build up to a great guitar solo, but the stuff going on sonically is so interesting. If I had to say anything negative about it, it's ever so slightly longer than it needs to be. Maybe a chorus or a verse too long. It's repetitive in a similar way to Burning My Soul, but the repetition works here.

Just Let Me Breathe, is the second worst on the album. It's inoffensive, but just kind of bland again. It gets a vote! It does have one of the most difficult DT guitar passages, but I never cared for this song enough to be bothered to really attempt learning it. It's a long album, this is the bathroom break song.


MP: When we wrote Anna Lee, we specifically listened to both "Someone Saved My Life Tonight" and "Rocket Man" for inspiration."
The Anna Lee melody is just Someone Saved My Life Tonight 2 or 3 octaves higher.

Yea, very Elton John. Also a bit of Beatles in there. Really nice song and a nice swan song for Derek being his only writing credit. I'm a sucker for that leslie guitar tone. Also a really nice slide guitar solo! Again, DT doing something different is always welcome. It doesn't feel like they wrote this as an obligatory pre-epic ballad (I'm looking at you Along For the Ride).

Trial of Tears is the first of many Rush homages for the band. It's actually hard to believe that it took them this long to go full Rush mode on us, considering how it's probably the one band they all adore. Great song, seeing this in 2014 was a real treat. Another awesome instrumental section, with a brilliant guitar solo. Petrucci has mentioned that he prefers to jam on one chord instead of something with chord changes, but he's clearly capable of doing chord changes as heard on this song. Always gives me goose bumps.

I think the biggest problem with this album is that it's too long. Before I started writing this, I planned on saying that you could ditch You Not Me, Burning My Soul, and Just Let Me Breathe, and put Raise the Knife there instead, but I don't know if that's even a good idea. It's almost 80 minutes. DT makes long albums anyway, but something about this album drags on a bit too much. Thank H that the record label didn't let them do a double album with a 20 minute Metropolis at the end. That would've killed the band. I find that I enjoy the album more when I skip those 3 songs. It's shorter and more enjoyable. 8-9 songs is a good amount for a DT album too IMO.

Here's the obligatory ranking:

1: Lines in the Sand
2: Hell's Kitchen
3: Trial of Tears
4: Hollow Years
5: Peruvian Skies
6: Take Away My Pain
7: Anna Lee
8: New Millennium
9: You Not Me
10: Just Let Me Breathe
11: Burning My Soul

Also, Sheridan is really cool. He uses various sounds and at times he even doesn't sound that far away from Jordan, but maybe there's something wrong with my hearing. Also, he allegedly is a rather cool guy. I would like to meet him one day.
I noticed that when listening to this on ACOS. He has the atmosphere of Kevin Moore (but does it better) but also a similar shreddy solo style to Rudess (but does it better). What he doesn't have is Rudess' compositional abilities, which would become the final piece of the DT puzzle.

As for the bonus songs, The Way It Used To Be is meh (Cover My Eyes should've been here, but I understand why NP chose not to include it) and Raise the Knife is awesome. It's a shame they didn't get to give it a proper recording, but like I said this album is already packed as it is. Having it as a live recording is good enough for me.

Btw, fans of this album need to check out the PSMS dvd. Lots of stuff from this album and ACOS!

https://www.amazon.com/Live-Tokyo-Blu-ray.../B00DPH7R56
 
I'll do the same as Mosh.
I've just really started getting into this album. It's never been really one of my favorites but since I've started listening to it recently, I've come to enjoy it a lot more than other albums by DT.

New Millenium is easily the best song from the album. Every minute of it is good, there's nothing to complain about. It's in my current top 10. Amazing song!!

You Not Me is absolutely atrocious. The only decent part of the song is the guitar part at the end with the wahh. This song may have one of the most cringeworthy and boring choruses ever. You or Me is certainly better and should have made it on the album. One of the only DT songs I'll skip, another is on this album. Also, I feel sorry for you if you enjoy this garbage.

Peruvian Skies is a DT classic. It's a very good song, it was actually one of the first DT songs I liked.

I like Hollow Years a lot, but I feel like the chorus kind of drags too much. It's just repeated too much at the end and gets boring. But nevertheless it's a good song.

I for one, LOVE Burning My Soul!!!! I actually think JLB does very good on this song. His delivery is perfect. I just wish they would have included Hells Kitchen in the middle of the song, I think that would cement it as a DT epic, imo. But even without it, the song still works.

I'd like to retract my statement in a previous comment about Hells Kitchen. In the time from when I wrote that and now, It's really grown on me. It has a nice build and never gets boring. I actually think it's one of the better DT instrumentals. I kind of regret voting for it now.

Lines in the Sand is very good too. I wish that they had Portnoy sing the back up vocals instead of whoever the other guy was. His voice annoys me, but Portnoy is a very good back up singer imo. I love the whole feel of the song. Petrucci gives a nice solo too.

Take Away My Pain is kind of meh, but I still like to listen to it sometimes. I don't like the chorus, so I voted for it.

A lot like BMS, I love Just Let Me Breathe!!! But not on this album, I like it a lot better on LSFNY though. I really wish the guitar was heavier. It sounds like JP recorded it on a crunch setting or something. And it does get a little tired at the end. It could benefit from being played faster too. Despite all this, I still like it a lot and find it very enjoyable. Though I will be voting for it next round if it's not dead by then.

I don't like Elton John, so it can be assumed I don't like Anna Lee. This is the other track that I skip.

I didn't like Trial of Tears until recently. It just never really clicked with me. The best part of the song is easily the chorus. The timing is amazing, and the lyrics couldn't be better! Musically, the song leaves more to be desired in certain points of the song, but it's still amazing!

My ranking of the album
1. New Millennium
2. Lines in the Sand
3. Peruvian Skies
4. Burning My Soul
5. Trial of Tears
6. Hells Kitchen
7. Just Let Me Breathe
8. Hollow Years
9. Take Away My Pain
10. Anna Lee
11. You Not Me

If Raise the Knife was on the album, then it would be my #1 song. I will never understand why that didn't make it. Also Cover My Eyes too! That one is really good! I'm not a big fan of The Way it Used to Be or Where are You Now, but I would have rather had those two on it instead of You Not Me and Anna Lee.

Also was there ever a studio version (or demo) of Speak to Me? Or is there just the live version?

In conclusion Falling Into Infinity is good, and it could have been better if certain songs never existed.... I would rank it ahead of WDADU, The Astonishing and DT12, making it ranked #10 on my list
If I was making that album and had those songs to choose from, here would have been my tracklisting...

1. New Millennium
2. Cover My Eyes
3. Peruvian Skies
4. Raise the Knife
5. Speak to Me
6. Burning My Soul (With Hells Kitchen middle section)
7. Lines in the Sand
8. Hollow Years
9. Just Let Me Breathe (with heavier guitars)
10. Trial of Tears

(I don't know the approx length of that, but that should all fit on one CD)

Furthermore I shouldn't have to talk about A Change of Seasons. It's probably my favorite song of all time!
 
I liked Derek Sherinian. Moore was definitely the best fit for Dream Theater to my ears, but I'd take Derek over Jordan any day, any time. He's a far more tasteful player, even if his personality didn't mesh with the rest of the band.

Anyway, a brief run-through of FII...

- New Millennium is one of those songs that I like a lot of parts of, but never really listen to often, even if Myung rocks the stick on it.
- You Not Me just isn't good. I may have been exaggerating when I said I think it's their weakest song (Never Enough?), but it's certainly one of them.
- Peruvian Skies is a really cool song with great dynamics. I love the Metallica riffage and the fretless bass stuff.
- Hollow Years is my second-favorite DT ballad, only behind Beneath the Surface. The lyric "She'll give you all the signs; she'll tell you everything, then turn around and walk away" gets me every time. Great lyrics in general here.
- Burning My Soul is obvious filler, as pretty much every other heavy song by the band is better than it. I haven't heard the demo but I believe Hell's Kitchen was originally the middle part of this song. I have a feeling it may have worked slightly better that way.
- Hell's Kitchen is something I really only listen to as a segue to the next track. It's an average instrumental with a few cool parts, though.
- Lines in the Sand is tied with Trial and Knife as my favorites here. Awesome groove, cool Myung harmonic stuff, arguably Petrucci's most emotive solo, and some amazing (for DT) lyrics to boot!
- Take Away My Pain is an inoffensive but unmemorable filler track to me. Nothing to really hear here.
- Just Let Me Breathe isn't a song I really like per se, but I don't find it as bad as others here do. The lyrics are era-related and are pretty awful, but the tapping instrumental part is kinda cool.
- Anna Lee is another favorite ballad of mine. Tons of emotion, great bass fills -- very soulful of Sherinian.
- Trial of Tears ups the Myung factor yet again, with some thoughtful lyrics and some great grooves. I'm usually not a fan of "jam" sections, but it really works here. The "Wasteland" vocal sections are really neat, too, and I love the bass solo outro. Great end to an underrated album.

Also, are the drums on this album too loud or is it just me? I know Portnoy was kind of a control freak, but...

Also was there ever a studio version (or demo) of Speak to Me? Or is there just the live version?


I love this song. I can understand if some find it kind of non-dynamic and bland, but it has a sound that they've never done at that point (and never did after, either).

I’ll admit Peruvian Skies is a shameless Metallica rip-off, probably their most obvious this side of As I Am…

Constant Motion gets very Metallica-ish at times in the verses. The overall sound, I mean -- obviously not the technical aspect.

Those early prog metal epics were a lot more experimental. A few years later, but I think Divine Wings of Tragedy also belongs in that conversation.

Ah yes, my favorite Symphony X song, and a sound the band unfortunately never revisited (instead pursuing a more aggressive "me too" metal sound). The song has nearly everything -- metal, prog, classical, jazz, blues... you name it.

Not only is [A Change of Seasons] Dream Theater's best epic song, It's also better than >20 minute classic songs like 2112 by Rush and The Odyssey by Symphony X.

Better than 2112? Sure. But The Odyssey? Not in my book. Seasons may have far more emotion, but Symphony X's second magnum opus is better written with smoother transitions to my ears.
 
After listening to FII, I'm starting to appreciate it a lot more than I previously did. I still wouldn't put it in the top half of my DT albums ranking, but it makes for a good listen. I might actually prefer it to Awake.

You Not Me and Burning My Soul are by far the worst songs; and they need to be eliminated ASAP. Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears are both incredible, and top 10 contenders in my opinion.
I can't take anyone seriously who complains about DT "wanking" and then votes for Hell's Kitchen. I honestly prefer this to Erotomania, Ytse Jam, and Enigma Machine. The way it builds up is so cool, the band is playing with dynamics and mood here instead of showing off. The outro is one of the best Dream Theater moments ever recorded. It's short but so what? It's just an awesome musical moment.
I couldn't agree more. Hell's Kitchen is among the best of DT's instrumentals; vastly superior to Erotomania, Ytse, and Enigma.

I feel like I shouldn't like Just Let Me Breathe, but for whatever reason, I quite enjoy it. I wont be upset when it does eventually get eliminated, but it's safe from a vote from me for now.

The Way It Used To Be and Raise The Knife are both solid songs, but not quite spectacular.

Voting for:
Erotomania
Scarred
You Not Me
Burning My Soul
Take Away My Pain
 
Great album. The one with the best production, which is an element sadly lacking in the rest of their career (especially the self-titled album).

There is no song that I don't like on it, except that I like "Take Away My Pain" much better live. On the album, it sounds too disney-ish for my taste (no need to mention that I loathe The Astonishing and that I don't care much for the SDIT intro either, although I like the rest of it a lot) even though the solo "in the style of" Steve Rothery is great.

Contrary to a lot of people here, I think that the chorus of "You Not Me" is the best part of the song which itself is not a good one and I understand that a good songwriter was needed for this one (even though at that level, they might have dropped it altogether).

"Hell's Kitchen" may not be the most technical instrumental they made, I think it is one of their best after "Erotomania" and "Ytse Jam" but what makes it better than those is the efficiency and beauty of its transition into "Lines in the Sand".

I don't get the hate for "Burning My Soul" and "Just Let Me Breathe" (which contains their best unison part in my opinion, especially because it is not too long) and I find them much more enjoyable than the wankery moments on the following albums.

I wish "Raise the Knife" and "Speak to Me" had been included here.

In terms of ranking, I would still put it after Awake and Images and Words but I listen to it much more often than anything with Rudess (apart from the last cd of Lives Scenes from New York).

My ideal tracklist:

Burning My Soul
New Millenium
Peruvian Skies
Anna Lee
Just Let Me Breathe
Raise the Knife
Hell's Kitchen/ Lines in the Sand
Take Away My Pain (acoustic)
Speak to Me
Trial of Tears
Hollow Years (with guitar solo à la Budokan version)

Favorite moments:
- the JLMB unison
- the transition from HK to LITS
- "the Wasteland" off "Trial of Tears"
 
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Trial of Tears is the first of many Rush homages for the band. It's actually hard to believe that it took them this long to go full Rush mode on us, considering how it's probably the one band they all adore.

I mean, I would say Status Seeker is the most obvious (and first) Rush homage by DT. They even had it remixed by Rush's early producer!

You Not Me is absolutely atrocious. The only decent part of the song is the guitar part at the end with the wahh. This song may have one of the most cringeworthy and boring choruses ever. You or Me is certainly better and should have made it on the album. One of the only DT songs I'll skip, another is on this album. Also, I feel sorry for you if you enjoy this garbage.

I for one, LOVE Burning My Soul!!!! I just wish they would have included Hells Kitchen in the middle of the song, I think that would cement it as a DT epic, imo. But even without it, the song still works.

Lines in the Sand is very good too. I wish that they had Portnoy sing the back up vocals instead of whoever the other guy was. His voice annoys me, but Portnoy is a very good back up singer imo.

I completely disagree on every single one of these points.

- You Not Me is not a good song, but You Or Me is even worse.
- Hell's Kitchen in the middle of Burning My Soul makes zero compositional sense and detracts from the power of both songs. I don't love either track, though HK is way better, but the demo version is a demo for a reason.
- Doug Pinnick is 10x the vocalist that Mike Portnoy is. He's an actual singer. I wish he sang more on this song.

Also, I don't get everyone's obsession with Raise the Knife. I've listened to it 5 times already this week trying to understand it, but I just don't. Will give it one more shot before I vote. @Night Prowler - can you keep this open for another 12 hrs or so? I'll vote by the end of tonight (it's 11am here).
 
Oh well, poll closed. For what it's worth I would have voted for:

You Not Me - truly a bad song
Burning My Soul - better than I remember it being, actually. Rather enjoyable, but still pales in comparison to the better songs here.
Just Let Me Breathe - cool riff, stupid, stupid lyrics with a very poor chorus. Redeemed solely by the awesome instrumental, but not redeemed enough.
Anna Lee - a good ballad that I quite enjoy, but definitely not as good as everything else.
The Way It Used to Be - which is actually a pretty cool song and should have made the album cut over the first three listed above
Raise the Knife - I have finally come to like it, but it's still not an amazing song. The chorus, though decent, is incredibly jarring within the composition.
 
Sweet. Voted. Gave a vote to Scarred, too, as I still don't get the love for it.

Listening to the FII demoes and they are a mixed bag. In general, I think the final versions of the songs on the record are superior, especially You Not Me and Hollow Years, that pre-chorus is totally unnecessary and detracts from the power of the chorus. I will say that the demo of Take Away My Pain, however, is far superior. The island vibe is stripped away, James' performance is far more emotional, and that breakdown during the last verse with just a church organ is purely magical. Hearing it this way honestly raised it to be one of my favorites from the entire album, demo or final track. Such emotional, powerful lyrics from Petrucci! In general, Petrucci's songwriting was pretty on-point during this album.

As for some of the other demos, Where Are You Now? has such a ludicrously weak chorus. It's so pleading and whiney. Definitely didn't need to make the cut. Cover My Eyes is interesting and rather catchy, but ultimately sounds nothing like Dream Theater. I can imagine Soundgarden doing this song and it being rather good. Same for Speak to Me, which is not very good at all and sounds like a b-side by The Cure. Metropolis, pt. 2 is clearly a sketch of ideas and I'm glad they did an album instead of a song.

I think if I had my ultimate decision, the album would look like this:

01. Raise the Knife
02. New Millennium
03. Peruvian Skies
04. Hollow Years
05. Burning My Soul
06. Hell's Kitchen
07. Lines in the Sand
08. The Way It Used to Be
09. Take Away My Pain (original arrangement)
10. Trial of Tears

Although I do like Anna Lee, I think the album would flow better like this and keeping it on there just lines up too many ballads, imo.
 
- Under The Glass Moon. Other 3 I&W songs are so much better.

- Erotomania & Scarred. Erotomania has a solid riff at the beginning but the rest is boring. Scarred has a great ending that's ruined by a fade out and the rest of the song isn't anything special. I don't rate Voices or The Mirror too much though, both have solid choruses and everything else average. Space Dye Vest is the only truly awesome song from Awake.

- New Millenium (sucks), Hell's Kitchen (not memorable enough for an instrumental), Lines In The Sand (sucks), Just Let Me Breathe (sucks), Anna Lee (boring), The Way It Used To Be (repetitive + boring), Raise The Knife (boring), A Change Of Seasons (some parts are OK, but too much boredom).
 
I forgot to mention that the production is pure shite. Also, You Not Me isn't that bad. It's commercial, sure, but pretty catchy.
 
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- New Millenium (sucks), Hell's Kitchen (not memorable enough for an instrumental), Lines In The Sand (sucks), Just Let Me Breathe (sucks), Anna Lee (boring), The Way It Used To Be (repetitive + boring), Raise The Knife (boring), A Change Of Seasons (some parts are OK, but too much boredom).

Also, You Not Me isn't that bad. It's commercial, sure, but pretty catchy.

:eek: :uhm: :facepalm:
 
You Not Me is pretty catchy, not surprising since the chorus is pretty much Backstreet Boys with James LaBrie as the lead vocalist.
 
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