Alexander the Great

Discussion in 'Somewhere In Time' started by IronDuke, Mar 5, 2004.

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How good is Alexander the Great on a scale of 1-10?

  1. 10

    52.1%
  2. 9

    19.2%
  3. 8

    16.4%
  4. 7

    6.8%
  5. 6

    5.5%
  6. 5

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. 4

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. 3

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. 2

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. 1

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Perun

    Perun Cheesemäster Staff Member

    Rime is Richard Burton, see the Rime thread for more details.
     
  2. Kalata

    Kalata Out of the Silent Planet

    Oh, thanks. Do you know who has done the ATG one ?
     
  3. Perun

    Perun Cheesemäster Staff Member

    I'm pretty sure it's Bruce, but I do not positively know.
     
  4. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    The inflection is like Bruce but the tone is different, probably going through a pitch shifter or with tape manipulation. I might bring the pitch back up later to see if it sounds more like Bruce.
     
  5. Kalata

    Kalata Out of the Silent Planet

    This is from a facebook fan page about the spoken prologue on ATG:
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  6. srfc

    srfc Ancient Mariner

    What's their source for that?

    Graham Chapman is Brian in the Life of Brian ( and CIPWM video), and I don't think he sounds anything like that.

    I think it definitely does not sound like Bruce.

    NERD ALERT:

    My theory from years ago was that Rime and Alexander where the same person, and I speculated it might have been Martin Birch. When it emerged that Richard Burton had done Rime, I saw that Burton had also done an Alexander the Great film! Naturally, I would be proved right about the same voice doing both parts so I hunted down the film to find the clip from Alexander. Alas, there was no such clip in the film :dorky:
     
  7. Kalata

    Kalata Out of the Silent Planet

    I don't know, but it is interesting to know which has done that ATG intro - every time when I listen to it, I always wonder.
     
  8. Perun

    Perun Cheesemäster Staff Member

    It wouldn't make much sense anyway, given that Burton plays Alexander and the quote is attributed to Philip.

    I'm still certain that it is Bruce.
     
  9. Confeos

    Confeos Nomad

    I think it's Nicko.

    :ninja:
     
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  10. srfc

    srfc Ancient Mariner

    Yeah I found that out when I found the movie, but still checked anyway just in case the quote was there and it was someone else saying it.
     
  11. Perun

    Perun Cheesemäster Staff Member

    Although I have it on DVD (together with the Oliver Stone one and the tv pilot starring William Shatner as Alex), I haven't seen it in I don't know how long and don't remember - is the quote in the film?
     
  12. srfc

    srfc Ancient Mariner

    I can't say for definite, as I was just scanning through the film (i'm not a huge film fan and also not that much of Maiden nerd that I'd sit through a whole film I'd no interest in just to spot a quote), but I was looking for scenes were Philip of Macedon was in it, or maybe an establishing shot that might have had a voice over, and I didn't find anything with that quote.
     
  13. Perun

    Perun Cheesemäster Staff Member

    There is a context to that quote. According to Plutarch, Philipp was being shown a seemingly untameable horse by a breeder. A young Alexander approached it and saw the horse was afraid of its shadow. He held his hands over its eyes and calmed the beast, then jumped on its back and rode around wildly. When he saw this, Philipp allegedly said these words, although it's not entirely certain how they are to be interpreted, whether he was proud of his son or angry at his own humiliation. This scene is in Oliver Stone's film, but I think the quote itself wasn't.

    It's not to be taken as an historical episode, though. Plutarch according to the prooimion to his Alexander biography stated that he was a biographer, not a historian - and it was his main concern to paint a vivid picture of Alexander's character. Plutarch was also a moralist, so it was not his intent to write fully historically accurate accounts, although he sometimes used authentic sources, but to use famous people as moral examples for the readers to take inspiration from or to be appalled by. In the case of Alexander, his whole biography has a strong tragic undercurrent, and this scene is emblematic. The implication is that Alexander from the beginning on was driven by a desire for expansion that eventually brought himself and many other people to misfortune (this aspect is actually more pronounced in Curtius' account). To Alexander, Plutarch argues, there could never be enough, he always had to go further, there always had to be more, and he could never be satiated. So it's highly likely the words were not uttered at all and Plutarch made them up to give the horse episode a stronger moralistic character. This is emphasised by the fact that all the other four ancient accounts on Alexander do talk about his horse (the hero-horse relationship being a very old narrative topos), but do not mention this phrase despite it's obvious interest to the whole Alexander narrative.
     
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  14. Magnus

    Magnus Sing the dark song

    I don't think they'll ever play that one.
     
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  15. Perun

    Perun Cheesemäster Staff Member

    Better lyrics, though.
     
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  16. Kalata

    Kalata Out of the Silent Planet

    I hope you're wrong.
     
  17. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Yorktown-class aircraft carrier Staff Member

    And Kalata officially becomes a forum veteran.
     
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  18. Kalata

    Kalata Out of the Silent Planet

    Haha, you made my day, mate. :D
     
  19. Magnus

    Magnus Sing the dark song

    Not from a singer's viewpoint, I guess.
    Edit: pro-whoa-oh-oh-oimion would be a nice addition to a gig however.
     
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2018

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