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ROD ONLY THINKS ABOUT MONEY!
Man, at this point I’m fully convinced that the upcoming documentary is gonna be just as ugly as Metallica’s Some Kind of Monster.
Our high-road band is starting to crash into the ground.
Well played, sir, very cleverRime of the Ancient Mariner. ROTAM, BRUCE — he was trying to tell us something:
ROD ONLY THINKS ABOUT MONEY!
In the end, it's a little late in the day for this conversation anyway. Maiden aren't going to overtake Metallica anytime soon. Maiden are at the precipice of retirement, Metallica seemingly is not. The fact of the matter is, Rod and the management team has had Steve to contend with in all their decisions. As we know, Steve is notoriously stubborn, and what direction Steve wants, that's what Steve gets. In all the decades of their existence, it seems the only major concession he's ever made is taking Bruce back, and he's admitted he was skeptical at best as to how that would turn out.Commercial success has a lot to do with management, but is not solely based on it. The best manager in the world can not make a band bigger than their musical / image appeal. So the fact that Metallica is bigger than Maiden can not be used to determine the quality of management. At least not in a measurable way. In other words: yes, Metallica sell more than Maiden, but NO, this does not necessarily mean that their management is better. Or that Maiden would be same size or even bigger with a different management. It simply means that several factors align, which in conclusion makes MEtallica bigger than Maiden.
Smallwood has done a very good job, making Maiden one of the five biggest Metal bands of all time.
Death magnetic is a good album. Not like the first ones but good. But im with you,maiden is the band that i keep suportingI personally don't give a fuck anyway. Maiden is the ONLY band of that size / level I still enjoy. I would prefer them to be smaller, because they reached that level where they attract too huge crowds for me, mostly consisting of people who are way out of Metal, but so what.
Metallica have not released a good album since 1988, have a rather annoying fan base and do features with Lady Gaga. Actually, surpassing such a garbage band would probably mean that you became totally edgeless. Maiden would probably be totally embarrassing if they managed to outsell Metallica.
Could've got Halford himself and he still wouldn't fill those shoes. Not a knock on Halford obviously, but that's a tough and unenviable position to be in.Maiden lost their spark, and Smallwood didn’t do enough to smooth the transition. Blaze was never going to fill those shoes, and it showed.
I think its more that they dont spend the sane time recording like in the past like maiden. They do a few weeks. Same problem with metallica. Some parts repeating over and overI don’t agree with calling Metallica garbage. The Black Album isn’t a favorite of mine, but I still place it alongside their first four records. Yeah, it’s more simplified, but they still kicked ass on it. After that, they went into experimental mode, but with Death Magnetic they tried to go back to their roots. That album has several good tracks, same with Hardwired. Hell, even 72 Seasons has a couple of songs I find likeable.
My take on Metallica is this: Hetfield is the soul of the band. He had (or maybe still has) his inner problems and demons, which in the early days helped fuel some great music. But now he’s a grown man—maybe even past his midlife crisis—and it feels like he’s outgrown thrash, but hasn’t found a new version of himself musically. Or maybe he has and just doesn’t embrace it. Like, maybe deep down he wants to play southern rock or something, but holds back because he’s afraid of alienating fans. Yeah, that’s just my speculation, but it sort of fits.
The last few albums, you can really feel they’re just going through the motions. The lyrics are super introspective, and a lot of the songs end up just being... boring. Metallica is dealing with some kind of crisis. They’ve made peace with their thrash past, but it’s not blooming into great records anymore, because their hearts are in a different place now. That’s how I see it.
That said, they still do charity, they care about their fans. Yeah, they’re mainstream now, and sometimes do stuff like singing with Lady Gaga, but they’re not garbage. If you ask me, that word fits Motley Crue better.
I think what they really need is a proper producer, not a yes-man like they and Maiden’s got. Someone who’ll actually say, “This part sucks,” or “This whole song is just meaningless meandering.” If you look back, their early songs were packed with riffs, sure—but they still worked. Some of them even feel like classics now. They had real melody in them. Where the hell did all that go?I think its more that they dont spend the sane time recording like in the past like maiden. They do a few weeks. Same problem with metallica. Some parts repeating over and over
[Steve picking another E-C-D progression]And we all remember how early on Bruce was dropping hints about the possibility of them playing Rime of the Ancient Mariner. ROTAM, BRUCE — he was trying to tell us something:
ROD ONLY THINKS ABOUT MONEY!
Man, at this point I’m fully convinced that the upcoming documentary is gonna be just as ugly as Metallica’s Some Kind of Monster.
Our high-road band is starting to crash into the ground.
Not commercial? They are selling you everything under the sun and playing to tens of thousands of people a pop. Iron Maiden is as mainstream as metal goes and very much a "commercial" band.I dont know how can someone complain. Maybe now they are as big as the 80s or even bigger. And they are not comercial.
Ralph hacked your account?Iron Maiden’s success is undeniable, but when you compare their popularity to bands like Metallica and Judas Priest, it's clear they've never quite reached the same mainstream level. A big part of that comes down to the band's management, particularly Rod Smallwood, who has been behind Iron Maiden's operations for decades. While Smallwood has certainly helped keep the band’s core identity intact, his decisions have often held them back from achieving the kind of mass appeal that Metallica or Priest managed to capture.
One of the biggest issues is Iron Maiden’s branding. While they’ve got a killer image with Eddie and iconic album covers, they’ve never really pushed themselves into the mainstream in the way Metallica did with their more commercial sound and strategic media presence. Smallwood’s refusal to change the band’s image or embrace more modern trends in the '90s and beyond meant they stayed within a niche, never breaking out beyond metal circles. Metallica, for example, made key changes like working with producer Bob Rock for the Black Album and getting major radio airplay, which broadened their appeal. Judas Priest also made smarter moves by experimenting with their sound and staying relevant to hard rock audiences, while Maiden stuck to their formula.
Smallwood's management also failed to push Iron Maiden into the media spotlight as effectively as Metallica did. While Metallica was all over MTV and late-night talk shows, Iron Maiden stayed more reserved, often keeping their media appearances limited to the hardcore metal scene. This lack of mainstream exposure kept them from reaching new audiences. Even when their songs were radio-friendly, their management didn't make the necessary push for radio play or mass media coverage.
On the touring front, Iron Maiden’s approach was also more conservative. While Metallica and Judas Priest were constantly expanding into new global markets, Maiden stuck to the same formula, reaching their loyal fanbase but missing opportunities to grow in emerging regions. Metallica’s world tours, which included stops in markets like South America and Asia, helped solidify them as a global force. Meanwhile, Smallwood often kept Maiden's touring strategy limited, not always capitalizing on the right moments or new opportunities. It’s a shame, really, because Maiden had all the potential to be the Metallica of the ‘80s and ‘90s, if only their management had taken a more dynamic approach.
I'm curious what everybody else thinks though. Discuss!
Words of wisdom, I can agree. And about the NA tour last year, they were touring with Senjutsu and SiT, which aren't so popular among the audiences. I think 2026 will be similar to 2019, with bigger venues and more cities, because they'll be playing songs from the first nine studio albums. Metallica became a sold-out band when they decided to compromise and bend for casual listeners and radio-friendly audiences. And you must know they were one of those trash metal warriors who wanna "beat the glam metal posers" in the '80s. Metallica's members are generally psyched about popularity, media attention, and being trendy artists at any cost. I'm not their hater or fan, too - just the observer. Iron Maiden is absolutely different, so we can't compare Metallica and Maiden as artists and phenomena. IM is about independence, DIY approach, and making things in their way and style.Maiden is one of the biggest Metal band ever.
Metallica is still bigger due to the Black Album (which many still see as a sold out move), but Maiden is catching up very quickly in the last few years. Rammstein might sell more tickets in some European markets but they've been less consistent with the touring (and a lot of people just show up to see the stage anyway).
Maiden is constantly touring. They don't make a big deal out of things like RHOF nominee, they don't appear in TV programs, they're still snobbed when it comes to radio (compared to other bands). Yet, they're still breaking their records everytime.
Just for comparison: AC/DC's 2nd PWRP leg isn't selling that good (for their standards), with Maiden giving them dust to eat in a lot of markets. This is the 2nd year AC/DC is touring since 2016. Maiden, on the other hand, has been touring every year since 2016. This shows that theoretically Maiden would sell a lot more tickets than AC/DC, if the latter were to tour more frequently.
Where Maiden is doing nothing to increase their popularity is in the US. The last leg was such a letdown when you compare them with previous tours (playing just one show in LA is proof to that). My idea is that they need to shake things a bit there, with stadiums and better bills (as everyone is doing this day). That being said, if Rod didn't go that way yet it probably means he knows there is nothing that can be done and he doesn't want to take that kind of risk. Luckily, they can get the big money out of SA instead.
The bolded I'm scratching my head about. I don't think they've made a 'trendy' or 'commercial' album in over 20 years?Metallica's members are generally psyched about popularity, media attention, and being trendy artists at any cost. I'm not their hater or fan, too - just the observer.
They've made so many commercial albums and trend-shifting moves in the '90s that now might play the flute and call it "folk metal".The bolded I'm scratching my head about. I don't think they've made a 'trendy' or 'commercial' album in over 20 years?
The problem is IM musicians just don't care about fitting into any changes, and the management has nothing to do with their artistic directions. Steve mentioned once that artistic independence was the main condition of a management contract.100% agreed here. These guys could be as big as Metallica if they had a more creative manager in touch with the changing popular music landscape.
Those late 80s albums, as great as they are, would have been the time for them to go in even further on synths and really work towards a hit (Wasted Years was a step in the right direction). Instead, they doubled back on that sound and tried to sound more "street" and "rock" on NPFTD and FOTD. Then the 90s were the perfect opportunity for them to embrace a darker, more aggressive sound - instead they went sad and proggy.
With a proper management team behind them they could have really increased popularity in the 90s. That would, unfortunately, probably mean we wouldn't have gotten the reunion with Bruce, but just think of the possibilities!
With Death Magnetic they tried to go back to their roots.
That album has several good tracks, same with Hardwired. Hell, even 72 Seasons has a couple of songs I find likeable.
My take on Metallica is this: Hetfield is the soul of the band.
It fits indeed. Probably all three thoughts are correct. However, they all result in the same thing: he is not into it any more. Outgrown or different interests, the outcome is the same. It is pure painting by numbers. Creating a product for the market, carefully designed to please and to uphold an image. That's what I mean with garbage. It is all plastic.it feels like he’s outgrown thrash, but hasn’t found a new version of himself musically. Or maybe he has and just doesn’t embrace it. Like, maybe deep down he wants to play southern rock or something, but holds back because he’s afraid of alienating fans. Yeah, that’s just my speculation, but it sort of fits.
They’ve made peace with their thrash past, but it’s not blooming into great records anymore, because their hearts are in a different place now. That’s how I see it.
That said, they still do charity, they care about their fans.
Cant be much more trashy than that. I mean, they could have collaborated with some underground act, making a dream come true for them, pushing someone who really needs it. Instead they go for the queen of trash, which is already on top of the world...Yeah, they’re mainstream now, and sometimes do stuff like singing with Lady Gaga, but they’re not garbage.
Yeah, they truely are garbage. Definitely more garbage than Metallica. But they always were garbage, Metallica actually were brilliant once.If you ask me, that word fits Motley Crue better.