Discussion in 'Music Discussion' started by Stardust, Dec 16, 2015.
ARW live version of Awaken:
This is a fan filmed live performance of the opening track from Heaven & Earth. When I first heard the studio version, I found it weak and too dominated by Geoff's keyboards. But now I appreciate it as a beautiful song of desperate optimism. I love the chorus. Reason I am posting the live version is it is more interesting seeing who is playing what part. Singer Jon D on acoustic and Steve on very subtle Electric, except for the solo which is typical amazing work from Steve
Man that singer even kind of looks like Jon Anderson.
He's been singing with them for quite a while now, hasn't he? I saw him a couple of years ago.
Yes. He joined in 2012 and recorded Heaven & Earth CD in 2014. Still with them. Enjoyed his performance last summer when I saw Yes on their current tour to play all of Drama and Sides 1 & 4 of TFTO.
Yes has announced a summer tour:
YESTIVAL – Tour Dates Announced
As announced on YES’s SiriusXM show, the YESTIVAL Tour will feature YES, Todd Rundgren and Carl Palmer’s ELP Legacy.
For these 2017 YESTIVAL shows, YES will play one track live, from each studio album from YES (1969) to DRAMA (1980), chronologically, with a few surprises thrown in.
Aug 04 – White Oak Amphitheatre at Greensboro Coliseum Complex, NC
Aug 05 – Holmes Convocation Center, Appalachian State University, Boone, NC
Aug 07 – Pier Six Concert Pavilion, Baltimore, MD
Aug 08 – Tower Theatre, Upper Darby, PA
Aug 10 – The Grand Theater at Foxwoods Resort Casino, Mashantucket, CT
Aug 11 – Ford Amphitheater at Coney Island Boardwalk, Brooklyn, NY
Aug 12 – P.N.C. Bank Center, Holmdel, NJ
Aug 16 – The Palace Theatre, Greensburg, PA
Aug 17 – DTE Energy Music Theatre, Clarkston, MI
Aug 19 – Festival Park – Grand Victoria Casino, Elgin, IL
Aug 20 – Jacobs Pavilion at Nautica*, Cleveland, OH
Aug 22 – The Zoo Amphitheatre, Oklahoma City, OK
Aug 23 – Smart Financial Centre, Sugar Land, TX
Aug 25 – Celebrity Theatre, Phoenix, AZ
Aug 26 – The Joint @ Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, Las Vegas, NV
Aug 29 – Microsoft Theater, Los Angeles, CA
Sep 03 – Tulalip Amphitheatre, Tulalip, WA
Also touring this summer: Yes
Aug. 26 - Stockton, CA - Bob Hope Theater
Aug. 28 - Saratoga, CA - Mountain Winery
Aug. 31 - Las Vegas, NV - Smith Center
Sep. 02 - Layton, UT - The Kenley Amphitheater
Sep. 03 - Littleton, CO - Hudson Gardens
Sep. 05 - Kansas City, MO - Kauffman Center
Sep. 07 - Milwaukee, WI - Riverside Theater
Sep. 09 - Hammond, IN - Venue at the Horseshoe Casino
Sep. 12 - Kettering, OH - Fraze Pavilion
Sep. 13 - Vienna, VA - Wolf Trap
Sep. 15 - Akron, OH - Goodyear Theater at East End
Sep. 16 - Toronto, ON - Massey Hall
Sep. 18 - Quebec City, QC - Grand Theatre du Quebec City
Sep. 19 - Montreal, QC - St. Denis Theatre
Sep. 23 - Wallingford, CT - Toyota Oakdale Theatre
Sep. 24 - Brookville, NY - Tilles Center
Sep. 27 - Newark, NJ - NJ PAC (New Jersey Performing Arts Center)
Sep. 29 - Reading, PA - Santander Performing Arts Center
Sep. 30 - Trenton, NJ - Patriots Theater at the War Memorial
Oct. 01 - Philadelphia, PA - Verizon Hall at the Kimmel Center
Oct. 04 - Boston, MA - Orpheum Theater
Oct. 07 - Niagara Falls, NY - Seneca Casino
Oct. 08 - Red Bank, NJ - Count Basie Theatre
Oct. 11 - Clearwater, FL - Ruth Eckerd Hall
I'm curious how you look at the following. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame performance didn't bring the members together one bit. In fact, both fractions are using the name Yes now!
Anderson's answer ("He's dead") during a backstage interview when someone asked for a reaction at the fact that someone wasn't there (Squire) feels kind of nasty now. Squire is dead, now it's easier to get the name (back).
Anderson is on the most Yes albums, but I estimate that in total White and Howe are on more Yes albums than the Anderson, Wakeman and Rabin trio.
Based on what Queensryche & Pink Floyd went through (& Ratt as well), i doubt this is even close to over yet. The legal battle has yet to start...
I didn't watch the Hall of Fame performance (yet) but it sounds like the two camps seemed tense.
Here's the thing, the Yes split is a lot more complicated than any of the other bands who have fought over the names. In most cases it's one member who thinks that he has the right to the band name because he's the creative force/leader but in reality there are other founding members who also own the name. Chris Squire is the only member who was there since the beginning and never left. IMO Yes should've died with him, but apparently this wasn't his wish. So I suppose that version has a right to exist. But at the same time, there are no founding members left in that version of the band. The only other founding member is Jon Anderson. So as crass as the interview might be, he might actually have a point. Yes was his (and Chris') band.
So it's complicated. At this point I consider the Jon Anderson version to be the most "authentic" version of Yes. The other one seems like a glorified tribute band to me. I felt that way even when Chris Squire was still alive. But Chris wanted his version of Yes to continue and they have existed without Jon Anderson for a pretty long time now.
It will probably be a pretty nasty legal battle, but unlike some of the others (Pink Floyd, Queensryche, etc), the member "stealing" the name might actually be right.
Squire was in the other band when he died. That was the real Yes. That's sounds like a big argument in a legal case. Squire was more loyal, deserved to have the name Yes more. Even if Howe and White were not there from the beginning, they worked on more albums than Wakeman and Rabin.
I wonder if the success factor plays a role. Rabin was in a commercially successful period of the band. But has success anything to do with the right of using a name? I doubt it. The band was active for a long time before the eighties. In my controversial opinion Wakeman was not essential in Yes. He plays on some major records, but he is also absent from a number of others. Not just one or two. The work was done before he came, the work was continued after he left.
As much as I prefer the voice of Anderson over these abhorrent vocals, I don't think he deserves to suddenly take the name over. His attitude at the Hall was irritating, Wakeman's dumb jokes were misplaced. I missed respect for Squire. I hope that these guys lose. They see dollars and want to cash in for the 50 years anniversary.
Fwiw I'm not really considering Wakeman and Rabin here. Rabin's version of Yes was barely Yes to begin with and I agree Wakeman isn't as important as some others. It mostly comes down to Squire and Anderson. Both started the band. One is still alive, but the other had his own version of Yes before he died.
Dunno if this has been mentioned already but apparently Rick Wakeman only showed up to the RnR HoF on the condition that Chris' wife also attended and got to speak. But he rambled too long and she never got a chance to speak. Wtf.
Also it occurred to me that history is sorta repeating itself. In the 90s, the "classic" lineup minus Squire made an album: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Bruford_Wakeman_Howe_(album)
It wasn't Yes in name, but it was the closest thing to a "true" Yes album since the 70s. And it's really good. I think most fans consider it a Yes album. It also of course led to a reunion where this lineup merged with the current Yes lineup. Would be cool if we saw a similar outcome this time. The Union thing was kind of a disaster, but I think an Anderson/Howe/Wakeman/Rabin/White lineup could work.
I saw ARW play "The Meeting" live. It was better than I expected.
Found this setlist from the original tour for TFTO. A true prog fan's ultimate setlist. Almost every song was 10-20 minutes long. Too bad this was about a decade before I started going to concerts:
Borrowed my brother in law's vinyl of TFTO. Really cool to study the gatefold with the story of the creation of the LP, the lyrics, and the nature photographs intermixed.
Discovering the other 20 minute (side long) songs outside of TFTO. Heard Mind Drive last night and Gates of Delirium this morning. Both are more enjoyable when I follow along with the lyrics online.
After how divisive TFTO was, I figured Yes would get away from the longer songs on the next lp, but Relayer opened with 1! Wasn't until 2 lps later with Tormato they started returning to the shorter songs. This trend would continue through the 80s before the Keys cds in the 90s.
Will listen to That, That Is next
Masterworks would have been a cool tour to see. 3 of their side long songs:
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