Which album actually has the worst production?

They didnt mixed it or whatever they do when record an album
They absolutely mixed it, but the mastering is what was called into question. I thought they stuck with the mastered version in the end, though there were some leveling issues on BTATS and a couple of other places that got cleaned up in the 2015 remaster.

Can you outline what specifically sounds amateur-like with […] TFF?
The vocals sound drier than month-old saltine crackers. There are some sloppy edits, and some of the guitar parts sound out of sync with each other. I’m sure there’s more.
 
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The vocals sound drier than month-old saltine crackers. There are some sloppy edits, and some of the guitar parts sound out of sync with each other. I’m sure there’s more.
This is though a production choice rather than an error, which is the point I was making, that we try to distinguish between active production choices that we can disagree with, but succeeds at what it's aiming at, (that one is a fine example of one I disagree with), and actual elements not up to standards, rather than label those kind of choices as amateurish, when they are not (but rather a choice we disagree with), and instead call the actual amateur-ish sounding mistakes
- like a sloppy edit, or the audible distortion buildup on DoD and the remaster (which in fairness mitigates all the dodgy stuff to the extent it can), mistakes, because yeah, that is amateurish.
 
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They didnt mixed it or whatever they do when record an album I think they could have work on it and sound better. Sounds good but could have been better
They mixed it but they didn't master it. That was rectified with the 2015 remaster. Or rather master, since it was the first time it was mastered :D
 
This is though a production choice rather than an error, which is the point I was making, that we try to distinguish between active production choices that we can disagree with, but succeeds at what it's aiming at, (that one is a fine example of one I disagree with), and actual elements not up to standards, rather than label those kind of choices as amateurish, when they are not (but rather a choice we disagree with), and instead call the actual amateur-ish sounding mistakes
- like a sloppy edit, or the audible distortion buildup on DoD and the remaster (which in fairness mitigates all the dodgy stuff to the extent it can), mistakes, because yeah, that is amateurish.
Hmm, we can also look at it this way: yes, it absolutely succeeds - if the goal is for most post-reunion Maiden albums to sound noticeably less good than they potentially could. That's obviously subjective and only my opinion, even if plenty of fans seem to share it.

Which brings us back to the same brick wall we always hit: Steve. His production philosophy and the creative decisions that come with it leave quite a bit to be desired.
 
Hmm, we can also look at it this way: yes, it absolutely succeeds - if the goal is for most post-reunion Maiden albums to sound noticeably less good than they potentially could. That's obviously subjective and only my opinion, even if plenty of fans seem to share it.
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Funny thing is that Bruce demanded a real producer, as one of the main reasons he left was that Steve had a very dominant role in the production....yet somehow, here we are again! :)
 
Funny thing is that Bruce demanded a real producer, as one of the main reasons he left was that Steve had a very dominant role in the production....yet somehow, here we are again! :)
My theory's always been that he got what he wanted in sound for BNW, and then that demand for great-sounding records dropped in priority. He was playing in front of huge crowds again, and that seems to have been his number one priority. Having Kevin Shirley remain aboard beyond that gives the illusion they have a top-notch producer...even if the truth is that Kevin's catering more to Steve's whims than to what the best sound for the record is.
 
Nights of the living dead sounds absolutely terrible.But thats a live album.From the studio ones i think Virtual xi and the Book of Souls have weak production.
 
From the studio ones i think Virtual xi and the Book of Souls have weak production.
Yeah, The Book of Souls was a swing and a miss in my opinion. To me, the problem is first and foremost how the drums and the guitars don't marry together at all. The toms are way up in volume - too loud - and the overall drumset sounds rather dark and dry, totally contrasting the guitars in a non-flattering way. Without contrast, you can't fit the elements inside the mix, but on TBoS they end up sounding like they are from two different albums.
 
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Several albums have less than desirable production choices. Namely when they stopped with a "real producer" like Martin Birch. There's a bunch of little issues all across the albums post-Fear, but I've noticed that the guitar sound that people complain about here actually started creeping in during the No Prayer days, I'm actually listening to Donington '92 now and the guitars have this weird, pseudo edgy tone but devoid of any real "bite" (yeah, me and my pŕecise technical explanations :D ) which feels a lot like Metallica's Justice record. This is not a topic about them but the sound in that album as we know is pretty poor, however I feel that Maiden might've feel inclined to go more "street level" with their sound like Metallica was? This guitar sound carries on throughout the 90s and only BNW changes it somehow. It's something that has always bothered me and I feel like the albums suffer tremendously because of it, since I feel albums like No Prayer, Fear, X Factor and even the much maligned Virtual XI have excellent songs that get overlooked, partly because they don't sound like "proper Maiden" (ie 1980-1988).

I don't mind the original AMOLAD, and honestly, the trickery done to the 2015 versions kinda fumbles it in a way. I think they applied some pitch correcting to it...

Dance of Death is horrid though, and it has never been properly and professionally fixed. Once again I bring Metallica into the fray given the "quality" of St. Anger, plus other major releases like Rush's sonically horrible original release of Vapor Trails. It's like they knew that kids were going to listen to them ripped in 128kbps mp3, on cheap players, with cheap earphones, in the middle of a subway ride. And they were right, because I was one of them :)
 
TXF. As stated by OP, the guitars sound like shit and virtually non-existent. It's also not a coincidence that the bass is the best sounding instrument (well done Steve).
This.
While I can find criticisms of nearly every album’s production since the 80s, none are worse than TXF.
If ever an album was begging - pleading - for a remix, this is it.
 
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