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Trump may not be able to pull the U.S. out of NATO on his own, but his overall stance is already sending a signal. There is growing doubt that the US would act decisively against russia.

Under Trump, the risk that putin might test NATO’s resolve increased significantly. Seeing all of Trump’s shenanigans, putin might consider targeting NATO’s eastern flank. That would be a moment of truth - not only for us in the Baltic states, but for all of Europe. Will it act?

Half measures against tyrants don’t work.
 
Yes, this is a typical reaction: many promise to wait for the facts, but only choose those that confirm their own beliefs. It seems as if real analysis is important, but in reality it is selective truth to support a favorite position. Politics in action.
 
The one "good" thing about the utter shitshow that the second Trump admin is, is that Europe, Canada and other nations and groups of nations are reevaluating their commitments to each other, and are creating new alliances. We simply can't trust the US anymore. Even if the next president is a Democrat again, and they try to mend a lot of the damage that Trump caused, we simply can't trust that a third of the population won't vote for another fascist dismantling everything, while a large part of the population sits out the election (or depending on the shenanigans of the GOP won't be eligible to vote in the first place).
 
Vaenyr said:
The one "good" thing about the utter shitshow that the second Trump admin is, is that Europe, Canada and other nations and groups of nations are reevaluating their commitments to each other, and are creating new alliances. We simply can't trust the US anymore.
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Trump just made it visible to everyone, but US was not to be trusted since at least Bush Jr.

Vaenyr said:
Even if the next president is a Democrat again, and they try to mend a lot of the damage that Trump caused, we simply can't trust that a third of the population won't vote for another fascist dismantling everything, while a large part of the population sits out the election (or depending on the shenanigans of the GOP won't be eligible to vote in the first place).
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Democrat or Republican you'd still get a McCain in foreign policy. US will only behave like a normal country when dollar loose its dominance, a world war away.
 
John McCain would have been great. He understood what russia is about and likely would have acted more decisively.

And let’s not pretend we don’t understand that if the United States were to decline significantly, other powers would step in. China wouldn’t be better, Iran wouldn’t be better, and russia certainly wouldn’t be better. If there’s a vacuum of power, it will inevitably be filled - that’s just how the world works.

Right now, there aren’t truly adequate substitutes for the U.S., even if it sometimes behaves like an elephant in a china shop. Europe could be a strong alternative, but it remains somewhat dormant and insufficiently federalized.
 
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Trump just made it visible to everyone, but US was not to be trusted since at least Bush Jr.
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Eh, that's too cynical. Not saying that the Dem administrations didn't have more than problematic foreign policy. All presidents are war criminals after all. But you can look at Biden for example, and see how much damage he tried to undo after Trump's first administration. There was commitment for defense pacts, for environmental treaties, and so on. There's nuance there. Painting with a broad brush that puts all administrations on the same level misses just how unusual and dangerous Trump really is in comparison.

Not that any of that was a surprise, mind you. Progressives warned against all that, yet Trump still managed to surpass our dire warnings.
 
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