Yax
Ancient Mariner
The federal government explicitly protects the killer and even stopped state agents from conducting any investigation, shut them out of the federal investigation and declared immunity for the killer and all ICE.
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Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
____no5
Free Man
Medvedev is a troll. Current Russian regime they think they’re too smart but Trump plays them big time.
Even if Russia takes Donbas it will be at a huge cost and US made sure to prepare guerrilla war for the aftermath (assigning CIA protegee Budanov as No.2)
Syria? Big loss for Russia. Venezuela? Big loss for China. Now seizing Russian ships and blockading them everywhere.
They bombed Russia’s strategic assets in the summer, Putin swallowed it. Targeted his residence same. Seized Russian flag ship, same.
Really with this pace, I don’t see Putin last until the end of Trump’s presidency. I don’t see much of a collusion to be frank.
US outsmarted everyone; they disengaged Germany from Russia’s cheap energy, made them /us completely dependent on their 4x more expensive LNG, military spending up to 5% buying their gear, pushing us to a war with Russia while they will be busy taking on China, using who knows what proxies.
Here in the far east the same. Myanmar, the “rebels” sabotaging the Chinese pipeline meant to by-pass Malacca blockage, Nepal regime change, Thailand, Philippines (I think there are even missile installations there) turned against China, Iran is trembling, Pakistan regime change, Bangladesh regime change.
Really, US is a unmatched superpower, put aside the hundreds of military bases everywhere, they control the global currency and except from Russia and China they control the information space in every other country for 25 years now. Best propaganda ever not even close.
In China even a child can distinguish state’s propaganda in West the most educated people reproducing it and thinking they’re free.
Korea, Japan, Germany have tenths of thousands of soldiers stationed there. Paint it with whatever color you like but a country with tenths of thousands of foreign troops in there is not the definition of sovereignty.
For all the above, I don’t think US -Russia are colluding, it’s a too an uneven relationship, they will throw Russians the Donbas bone /poisoned chalice as they will grab Greenland and the whole Western hemisphere, totally controlling Europe as never before, a big part of middle East, blockading China from almost everywhere in the sea.
China on the other hand is not outsmarted by US, but China is too isolated. Its reach is only via trade, whereas US has many more tools and allies.
**Just to be clear, even if US outsmarts everyone else, I think it the end it will backfire badly. Not from Russia or China or anyone else. From their immense spending and years of neglecting their own people, just as the killing we are discussing the last few days.
Yax
Ancient Mariner
Collusion in no way requires two equal parties. That's not what the word means, or how it usually is practiced. This, dividing of influence and territories, is exactly what Putin has relayed for years, a desire to the world being divided into spheres of interest. Trump is delivering on that. There is very little evidence of the US "playing" Russia, but rather the opposite, with Putin playing with Trump's peace endeavours. It is a fact, that has been confirmed by U.S. intelligence reports that Russia amplified (and amplifies) MAGA. There are very, very few instances where Trump has been at odds with Putin for 10 years now.
____no5
Free Man
Yes I agree with that, we definitely have entered in Spheres of Influence take 2, since Trump was elected.
I told you the evidences. Serious events happened, attack on strategic bombers which is a huge red line, sanctions, seizing of ships, Armenia deal, attack on Putin's house. Those are real, some very serious events done during Trump's presidency. What Putin did to reply? Nothing.
Thus both are playing. But Trump is winning.
Possibly. Which shows that Russians aren't smart. Trump has been more damaging than Biden. And there are 3 more years left. Wait and see. Putin will be toast.
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Black Abyss Babe
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Has anyone here actually seen the Panorama edit which Trump is suing the Beeb over?
Yax
Ancient Mariner
I don't think it will work anyway - the U.S. does not have universal judicial jurisdiction.
Black Abyss Babe
Slava Ukraini!
Thanks @Yax and @Spaldy - my thinking is also that there isn't actually a case here, I was just wondering on what grounds it might be claimed that there could be. I didn't see the programme myself (because, you know, I've got better things to do with my time than let Trump annoy me even more) but I'm aware of the details of the edit in question and basically the same edit was made in all the news broadcasts at the time. Cutting the boring or irrelevant bits out of speeches is quite standard for news broadcasts and other factual programmes, but it's usually quite obvious where the section has been removed. So there could be a question mark over what it looked like in this instance - was it obvious that a section had been removed (as was the case with the news broadcasts) or was it a more slick edit that made it look like one continuous piece? That was why I enquired whether anyone had actually seen it.
I reckon Trump's ego just couldn't cope with the fact of "Auntie" finding 50 minutes of his speech too boring to broadcast ...
I reckon Trump's ego just couldn't cope with the fact of "Auntie" finding 50 minutes of his speech too boring to broadcast ...
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Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
So apparently, Nobel laureate Machado gave her medal to Mango Mussolini during their WH meeting. I don't know how many times something like that has happened, but a rather infamous example happened during WW2, when Norwegian writer, and Nobel literature prize winner Knut Hamsun gave his to none less than Joseph Goebbels 
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
"Thank you. Delcy's going to remain President of Venezuela."So apparently, Nobel laureate Machado gave her medal to Mango Mussolini during their WH meeting. I don't know how many times something like that has happened, but a rather infamous example happened during WW2, when Norwegian writer, and Nobel literature prize winner Knut Hamsun gave his to none less than Joseph Goebbels
Yax
Ancient Mariner
So? What are they going to do, show up with a task force in the U.K. and raid the BBC for damages? It's a bit like if Putin would sentence the BBC over slander and demand damages - they would shrug their shoulders and go "whatever", because he does not have jurisdiction no matter what his own court would tell him.
@Black Abyss Babe I recall the reporting stating that they spliced together segments of two different speeches, so it sounded like one single speech.
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Spaldy
Ancient Mariner
No it was the same speech, they just spliced together two parts of it. Remember that it was broadcast nearly two years ago and no one noticed. That is until the far-right leaning Daily Telegraph (owned by a pro Trump billionaire) dug it up and made it a thing. All in an attempt to try and bring down the BBC. I'll wager that Trump himself hasn't even seen the clip.
Spaldy
Ancient Mariner
It should be noted that the Nobel Peace Prize is not the same thing as the regular Nobel Prize despite sharing the name. The peace prize has always been more of a political thing.So apparently, Nobel laureate Machado gave her medal to Mango Mussolini during their WH meeting. I don't know how many times something like that has happened, but a rather infamous example happened during WW2, when Norwegian writer, and Nobel literature prize winner Knut Hamsun gave his to none less than Joseph Goebbels
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
Like, for fuck's sake, Kissinger has one.
Black Abyss Babe
Slava Ukraini!
Tom Lehrer once famously said that Kissinger getting the Peace Prize rendered political satire obsolete ...
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
This is just a personal reflection on what is going on in the U.S right now. Back in high school I wrote a couple of papers on the KKK for a sociology class. My main source was The Fiery Cross: the KKK in America by Wyn Craig Wade. The book deals with the resurgence of the KKK starting in 1915 after D.W Griffith's The Birth of the Nation, in which he romanticizes the Klan of the Reconstruction period. He gives a basic history from their founding after the Civil War as a social club to it being turned into the racist organization we now know it as, their height in the 1920s, their fall and what they have been up to (as of the printing I read up to the 1980s).
Why do I mention all of this? Well, By the 1920s the Klan boasted 4 MILLION members nation wide with many states having representatives and senators who were members. In the case of Indiana, every. Single. office was headed by a Klan's member, from mayors to sheriffs as well as governor and both houses of congress. The Klan has always highlighted that they are proud WASPs, anti-black, immigrant, Catholic (through the years they've added other minority groups), and defenders of White Womanhood. This, of course is directly drawn from the movie in which our "hero" rescues a white woman from a recently freed black "savage".
In 1925 Indianas Grand Dragon, D.C Stephenson, raped, murdered and ate (yup, bit her face repeatedly causing severe disfigurement), a young white woman during an intoxicated bender. This single act brought down the entire KKK. people were horrified at the fact that one of the most powerful members of the Klan could do that to someone they claim to want to protect from the savage "other". Since then the Klan hasn't had that amount of power or influence.
The current conservative movement under Trump and Evangelicals basically say the same thing. This awful rampage to rid the U.S of "criminal" immigrants (and later any immigrant), stems from the same desire of protecting White Womanhood from "criminals," "rapists," "drug dealers," etc. They tend to paint a broader picture of it being for the safety of "Americans," (meaning WASPs), but the trend in redpill "alpha male" influencers, "tradwives," and normalization of fringe voices like Nick Fuentes, goes back to that "Men being Men" and the "proper" place for a Woman in society.
Their actions have been the complete opposite of course with the overturning of Roe V. Wade, cutting funding to programs that aid women's health specifically, and promoting ideals that limit a woman's financial independence.
Many conservatives were fine with ICE's raids as long as they were these criminal, brown, immigrants, then even if they weren't criminals. Then Rachel Good happened. I immediately remembered Madge Oberholtzer, The young woman brutalized by D.C Stephenson. Here is the Agency tasked with protecting citizens and White Womanhood, harassing and eventually killing the very person they are supposed to protect, a white woman, U.S Citizen, average soccer mom. I thought to myself, this is it, this is when America as a whole will turn it's back on ICE and Trump as they did in the 20s with the KKK.
NOPE. They doubled down, blamed the victim and that only has emblazoned ICE to shoot two more protesters in Portland, shoot another one in the face with nonlethal ammunition so hard he'll be permanently blind and have irreparable skull fractures, drag a disabled woman on her way to the doctor out of her car, break into peoples homes and drag them out as well, arrest Native Americans and Citizens alike.
I'm not going to the U.S for either business or pleasure any time soon. I'm literally scared for my life.
Why do I mention all of this? Well, By the 1920s the Klan boasted 4 MILLION members nation wide with many states having representatives and senators who were members. In the case of Indiana, every. Single. office was headed by a Klan's member, from mayors to sheriffs as well as governor and both houses of congress. The Klan has always highlighted that they are proud WASPs, anti-black, immigrant, Catholic (through the years they've added other minority groups), and defenders of White Womanhood. This, of course is directly drawn from the movie in which our "hero" rescues a white woman from a recently freed black "savage".
In 1925 Indianas Grand Dragon, D.C Stephenson, raped, murdered and ate (yup, bit her face repeatedly causing severe disfigurement), a young white woman during an intoxicated bender. This single act brought down the entire KKK. people were horrified at the fact that one of the most powerful members of the Klan could do that to someone they claim to want to protect from the savage "other". Since then the Klan hasn't had that amount of power or influence.
The current conservative movement under Trump and Evangelicals basically say the same thing. This awful rampage to rid the U.S of "criminal" immigrants (and later any immigrant), stems from the same desire of protecting White Womanhood from "criminals," "rapists," "drug dealers," etc. They tend to paint a broader picture of it being for the safety of "Americans," (meaning WASPs), but the trend in redpill "alpha male" influencers, "tradwives," and normalization of fringe voices like Nick Fuentes, goes back to that "Men being Men" and the "proper" place for a Woman in society.
Their actions have been the complete opposite of course with the overturning of Roe V. Wade, cutting funding to programs that aid women's health specifically, and promoting ideals that limit a woman's financial independence.
Many conservatives were fine with ICE's raids as long as they were these criminal, brown, immigrants, then even if they weren't criminals. Then Rachel Good happened. I immediately remembered Madge Oberholtzer, The young woman brutalized by D.C Stephenson. Here is the Agency tasked with protecting citizens and White Womanhood, harassing and eventually killing the very person they are supposed to protect, a white woman, U.S Citizen, average soccer mom. I thought to myself, this is it, this is when America as a whole will turn it's back on ICE and Trump as they did in the 20s with the KKK.
NOPE. They doubled down, blamed the victim and that only has emblazoned ICE to shoot two more protesters in Portland, shoot another one in the face with nonlethal ammunition so hard he'll be permanently blind and have irreparable skull fractures, drag a disabled woman on her way to the doctor out of her car, break into peoples homes and drag them out as well, arrest Native Americans and Citizens alike.
I'm not going to the U.S for either business or pleasure any time soon. I'm literally scared for my life.
Black Abyss Babe
Slava Ukraini!
Sometimes I just wonder why the rest of the world doesn't just give up trading with the US:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qpy952xvno
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qpy952xvno
Black Abyss Babe
Slava Ukraini!
Sensible precaution. I wouldn't go anywhere near the US until Trump is safely dead and buried - I suspect that simply being no longer in office would not be enough ...
The supreme irony here, though, is that the USA is a country that exists purely as a result of immigration: and recent immigration at that. A place for people to go to when running away from other places.