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MrKnickerbocker said:
Dems made good wins. At this point I truly don’t care where they land between left and center as long as they are blue.
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I agree with the overall point, but the reason I focus so much on anti-LGBTQ campaigns:

It's been a common point of discussion in this thread, trying to paint it as an advantageous strategy for the Dems or rather pretending trans people were a significant deciding factor in last year's elections.

Data consistently showed that this isn't true. With Mamdani we can clearly see that he got fantastic numbers from queer voters. In other words:

There's no group of voters out there that would normally vote blue but voted for Trump instead because the Dems were too trans friendly. There is no gaining votes as a Democrat by demonizing trans people. No conservative or moderate would change their vote based solely on that. Holding steady, being an ally and supporting LGBTQ minorities will get you their support though. Given how close some of those races have been over the last few years I think it is vitally important to keep that in mind, especially with Newsom's problematic views and a potential candidacy in 2028 in mind.

TL;DR: The Dems need to stop throwing minorities under the bus and should instead focus on the working class and the economy.
 
Vaenyr said:
I agree with the overall point, but the reason I focus so much on anti-LGBTQ campaigns:

It's been a common point of discussion in this thread, trying to paint it as an advantageous strategy for the Dems or rather pretending trans people were a significant deciding factor in last year's elections.

Data consistently showed that this isn't true. With Mamdani we can clearly see that he got fantastic numbers from queer voters. In other words:

There's no group of voters out there that would normally vote blue but voted for Trump instead because the Dems were too trans friendly. There is no gaining votes as a Democrat by demonizing trans people. No conservative or moderate would change their vote based solely on that. Holding steady, being an ally and supporting LGBTQ minorities will get you their support though. Given how close some of those races have been over the last few years I think it is vitally important to keep that in mind, especially with Newsom's problematic views and a potential candidacy in 2028 in mind.

TL;DR: The Dems need to stop throwing minorities under the bus and should instead focus on the working class and the economy.
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I’m not sure I see the relevance of this to the victories last night in multiple states.
 
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Mosh said:
I’m not sure I see the relevance of this to the victories last night in multiple states.
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It's meta commentary in response to the bluesky post I shared on the previous page and a few dozen back-and-forths over the last year in this thread.
 
Spaldy said:
The fightback against maga and the far-right begins here. It's a fantastic result and hopefully a sign that America has turned a corner.
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The first thing to watch is going to be the shutdown fight. Democrats gain a lot of leverage here. Trump is calling for the end of the filibuster, but you also see folks like MTG showing support for democrats demands to extend Obamacare subsidies. I think it’s highly likely at this point that democrats will leave the shutdown with concessions from republicans, which would be a significant legislative loss for Trump.
 
Mosh said:
Hopefully the lesson is to try and run democrats who speak primarily to economic issues and clearly understand their constituents. Spanberger and Mamdani have a lot in common in terms of candidate quality and laser focus on affordability. They ran for something and presented actual solutions that resonated with voters, something that Democrats have been failing to do for at least a decade now.
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This is exactly right. At the national level, however, I believe it’s easier for a powerful popular movement to emerge from someone who identifies as a socialist rather than a moderate.
 
____no5 said:
This is exactly right. At the national level, however, I believe it’s easier for a powerful popular movement to emerge from someone who identifies as a socialist rather than a moderate.
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I actually agree with this lol

The Dems, no matter where they are on the political spectrum, have been called socialists and communists for years now. Even the most moderate voices are called "radical far left" by Trump and the GOP. Why not have actual socialists or democratic socialists try their luck then? They'd see the same type of attacks either way.
 
____no5 said:
At the national level, however, I believe it’s easier for a powerful popular movement to emerge from someone who identifies as a socialist rather than a moderate.
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In the United States? No way in hell.

Vaenyr said:
Why not have actual socialists or democratic socialists try their luck then? They'd see the same type of attacks either way.
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This is a terrible argument, even by your own low standards. How about “because they’ll lose everywhere except the most left-leaning fringes of the country”…?
 
I have more thoughts that I don’t have time to type out now but I’ll just say with the massive caveat that a lot can change in four years, as of right now Gavin Newsom looks like the most likely next president of the USA.
 
Obviously anything would be better than Trump or another Republican president, but I really hope the Dems have someone else run. Really don't want Newsom as president.
 
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I’m gonna say it like it is: these tweets are stupid and out of touch.

Mamdani was running on a Democratic ticket against a Democrat running on an independent ticket. Cuomo sucked up center Dem votes from Mamdani and Republican votes from Sliwa and still lost.

Obama, Spanberger, and Sherrill were the only Dems running, so of course they got more votes than a Democrat running against a Democrat. Come on now.

Let’s also not forget how little Mamdani was being backed by money or the rest of his party. He won on the backs of the working class that believed in him, not the billionaires who ran ads for Cuomo nonstop. And furthermore, Mamdani won because he got marginalized groups to show up for him, because to him they were not being used as a pawn to toss around and get the majority mad about.

Let’s be clear about what these results are: it is still a rejection of status quo Democrats. Would a candidate like Mamdani work across the country? That remains to be seen, but NYC’s mayoral race became an international spectacle and got plenty of people excited about the prospect of politics for the first time in a long time. That should say something.
 
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