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As you scream into the web of silence...
That’s because Netanyahu coming to New York is 40x more likely than Hamas.
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Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
Zohran is running for mayor. There is absolutely ZERO legitimate reason why he should be asked about Hamas. It's deeply disingenuous and bad faith behavior. We all know the only reason that is happening is because he's a popular left-wing muslim politician with great chances at winning. I'm simply happy that the disgusting smeers against him are not working.
I also find it kinda funny (or rather tiring and boring) how we have people constantly going "I'm not racist, I swear, but immigration is out of control!" and "the left is too soft on crime, criminals need to be punished!" and then when Mamdani says that he would comply with international law and do his literal job of arresting a war criminal who has a warrant issued by the International Criminal Court suddenly we're supposed to ignore the law? We're supposed to be soft on a fucking war criminal?
I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways. That'd be pure hypocrisy. I'm rooting for the guy and can't wait for him to hopefully win.
I also find it kinda funny (or rather tiring and boring) how we have people constantly going "I'm not racist, I swear, but immigration is out of control!" and "the left is too soft on crime, criminals need to be punished!" and then when Mamdani says that he would comply with international law and do his literal job of arresting a war criminal who has a warrant issued by the International Criminal Court suddenly we're supposed to ignore the law? We're supposed to be soft on a fucking war criminal?
I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways. That'd be pure hypocrisy. I'm rooting for the guy and can't wait for him to hopefully win.
Azas
Tickets to Eternity
If, in the interview posted above, he had said something along the lines of “If representatives of hamas came to New York, I would arrest them” (or something similar), I wouldn’t have posted what I did. Treat them both—Netanyahu and hamas—the same way. But when he tries to avoid giving a direct answer regarding hamas, it’s very bad, in my opinion. That creates uncertainty and leaves room for interpretation. Be frank and upfront—that’s how I see it.
Of course, he’s running for New York mayor. But he said things about Netanyahu—so why not say the same about hamas? Unless, of course, he treats them completely differently…
Also, in my post I said that I have no problem with his opinion on Netanyahu. But I definitely have a problem when he remains silent about hamas.
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Yax
Ancient Mariner
And he is silent about Xi Jinping. And about the corruption and dictatorship in Cameroon. But he isn't silent on Donald Trump. I definitely have a problem with this.
We can do this over just about any issue not related to the position of being Mayor in New York. It is a smear campaign, which several of us have pointed out without any kind of response from you. I take the silence as you acknowledging the validity while willingly falling for it and perpetuating the propaganda.
Azas
Tickets to Eternity
The question wasn’t about Xi or Cameroon. And he couldn’t answer it directly. That’s a weak argument on your part. New Yorkers will surely decide whom to vote for—no problem there. I just posted my opinion, that’s all.
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On another note, those private messages from “young” Republicans are downright evil.
Yax
Ancient Mariner
I used one of your favorite argument tactics, "whataboutism", so what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? No, the core argument the rest of us have made is that this is a concentrated propaganda effort and smear campaign by Fox News that is not relevant to him seeking the office of Mayor. It is in line with them painting him as a communist muslim and is at the very core open racism. They go with this because of his ethnical background. The argument is that you are running with it, kind of like when you go "look over there!" and your toddler curiously looks while you pocket whatever toy you want the toddler to forget about. That is what Fox News is trying to do and you are falling for it and helping propogate the narrative.
I apologize if I come off as frustrated, but that's because I am.
Look, I think Hamas are a terrible bunch. But you have to view this Fox ambush in context, rather than eat their spin.
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Azas
Tickets to Eternity
Okay, I get it. I can understand that there’s a smear campaign against him. I’m not a Fox News watcher, and I’m not part of the inner pot of U.S. sociopolitical interactions.
But my point remains completely valid. I reacted to his answer not as a U.S. citizen and not as someone racist (against Muslims), but simply because I genuinely find his avoidance of a direct answer about hamas appalling—especially since he had already voiced his opinion on Netanyahu. He spoke about A (Netanyahu) but chose to stay silent about B (hamas). And I’m not sorry that, in this case, my opinion happens to fall into the Fox News smear campaign narrative. Mamdani’s very refusal to give a direct answer is what gave that alleged smear campaign fuel in the first place.
And again, my motives lie outside of that alleged smear campaign. I was expressing my opinion about avoiding a direct answer on a very sensitive topic. Personally, I don’t like it. He’s a politician, not a private person.
But my point remains completely valid. I reacted to his answer not as a U.S. citizen and not as someone racist (against Muslims), but simply because I genuinely find his avoidance of a direct answer about hamas appalling—especially since he had already voiced his opinion on Netanyahu. He spoke about A (Netanyahu) but chose to stay silent about B (hamas). And I’m not sorry that, in this case, my opinion happens to fall into the Fox News smear campaign narrative. Mamdani’s very refusal to give a direct answer is what gave that alleged smear campaign fuel in the first place.
And again, my motives lie outside of that alleged smear campaign. I was expressing my opinion about avoiding a direct answer on a very sensitive topic. Personally, I don’t like it. He’s a politician, not a private person.
The Garlon
Educated Fool
No matter what his answer was, Fox was going to make it into a viral sound bite and spin it into a narrative against him. Thats the entire purpose of the question. Pure propaganda.
Yax
Ancient Mariner
Thank you for acknowledging this.
And sure, if (which you really can't though), you take this out of the political context, then I'm inclined to agree with you. But you cannot.
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
No, your point has no validity to it all because it is based on a false premise.
Zohran has talked time and time again about how he would do anything in his power to ensure Israelis, Jews and Palestinians living in New York could live safe and peaceful lives.
Hamas is absolutely irrelevant. The only reason to ask him about Hamas is racism. That's it.
Netenyahu on the other hand is the leader of Israel, he visits other countries and he oversees a literal genocide campaign. Fuck Hamas, but to claim they are on the same level of importance, influence and support is beyond delusional.
It's time to quit swallowing propaganda at every corner and spewing it here uncritically. You have the power of the internet on your fingertips, time to educate yourself a bit.
Uh, no. With this you simply show us that you have no knowledge of this situation whatsoever, nothing beyond ragebait videos on twitter have shown you. Educate yourself. Mamdani has acknowledged everything that's relevant to his position time and time again.
You are activel saying "yes, it's propaganda, but I agree with it, so I won't change my opinion even if the facts are against me". Not a good look.
Cat Milk Supreme
Ancient Mariner
They have used this tactic at home in Ireland too. They ask nationalist politicians to denounce IRA crimes of the past, the politicians can not do this and so that becomes the whole story. They use it as a way of suppressing the nationalist voice, they waste all their air time wrapped up in the crimes of the past and whataboutery.
GhostofCain
Ancient Mariner
Something similar happens in the Basque country too.
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
I noticed that Mamdani also refused to answer the question on what type of weaponry we should be supplying to Ukraine. Oh, they didn't ask that because it has no relevance to a debate between mayoral candidates? Strange.