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Eh, you have folks like @Detective Beauregard who came in hot trying to blame "leftists" and the entire left without a shred of evidence. Right after the shooting you had major Fox News talking heads calling for civil war and violence against the left, despite the left having nothing to do with this shooting!
"Not me -- him also": That's how schoolboys playing soccer get out of trouble when a window gets broken. The last thing we need in this fucked up world is the USA to completely tear itself apart now. "When they go low, we go high", remember? Now it seems to be: "When they go low, we go even lower."

It's very easy to show that Trump is a terrible president. It's counterproductive to twist words and construct drama out of, generously speaking, half-truths.
 
"Not me -- him also": That's how schoolboys playing soccer get out of trouble when a window gets broken. The last thing we need in this fucked up world is the USA to completely tear itself apart now. "When they go low, we go high", remember? Now it seems to be: "When they go low, we go even lower."

It's very easy to show that Trump is a terrible president. It's counterproductive to twist words and construct drama out of, generously speaking, half-truths.
There are no "half-truths", just because Stephen King misquoted something. Charlie Kirk was a fascist who wanted the violent eradication of trans people. He said MLK was an awful man and that the Civil Rights were a mistake. He was a white supremacist and an anti-semite. Those are all truths, supported by his very own words. I posted sources on earlier pages, including the clips where he says those things. None of this is up for debate, but trying to muddy the waters about something so clearly established paints a veeery bad look. I'd think twice before going down that route.

The shooter wasn't on the left. He seems to be a groyper (if you don't know what that is, look it up). The right is blaming the left and advocating violence against the left, when the left had literally nothing to do with any of this. As I mentioned before: The vast majority of political violence is done by the right wing. Again, factual. I posted a bunch of sources. Stop dragging the left into this, it's whataboutism. The right wing and the surrounding hypocrisy is what's important, not deflecting to irrelevant topics.

Also, "when they go low, we go high" is the stupidest idea and the exact reason why we are here in the first place. The Dems have no spine and are refusing to call out the violent extremism of the right wing. The right literally murders and lynches people, including politicians, but the Dems are the ones who think reaching across the aisle is a valid strategy. It's not.

It is time for the right wing to take responsibility for the vast amount of violence, pain, death and destruction they have been causing for decades at this point.
 
Source? I haven’t seen anything of the kind yet.

I saw the opposite, that the bullets were engraved with Bella Ciao

EDIT: just read the article @Mosh posted and see that Bela Ciao might just be some meme bullshit and not anything to do with left wing beliefs.

I also saw a video of the other shooter at that Catholic school mentioned in the article, where he's showing all the magazines with the geeky slogans he's written on them. Frightening stuff, firstly that poor youngsters can get warped into being such losers, and then how easy it is for them to get the weapons to carry it out, and I'm not just talking about gun control here, do they have no one in their lives that notices this shit and can step in and talk to them?
 
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“You can tell a lot about a person by how they react when someone dies.” - Charlie Kirk, 2016

I don't believe that @Detective Beauregard @el diablo @____no5 or any of the other MAGAs shedding crocodile tears online actually care about any of this.
“Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups.” - Confucius (probably)

This assassination has made me sick. Regardless of how you felt about his beliefs, Charlie was a debater - not a Nazi or Putin or a genocidal warlord. He never harmed anyone, and was rewarded for that with a violent death in front of his family. Then I go onto social media and see people celebrating this, like some evil regime had just been toppled. It’s disgusting.

Interesting, though, how you don’t see conservatives starting riots and burning cities because of this, isn’t it? Very telling of the average mindset of each party’s supporters.

I’ll be honest: I don’t have the time or the patience to sift through pages upon pages of Vaenyr’s unhinged rants. Until I see hard unbiased evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe that leftist ideologies are responsible for this. If end up being incorrect, I’ll own up to it.
 
“You can tell a lot about a person by how they react when someone dies.” - Charlie Kirk, 2016
"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage." - Charlie Kirk

Regardless of how you felt about his beliefs, Charlie was a debater - not a Nazi or Putin or a genocidal warlord.
Wrong, he was a neo nazi.

He never harmed anyone
He spread hate and incited violence.

and was rewarded for that with a violent death in front of his family.
That obviously sucks for his family. No one denies that.

Then I go onto social media and see people celebrating this, like some evil regime had just been toppled. It’s disgusting.
You mean like how the right wing always celebrates and jokes whenever people on the left are attacked or killed? Like Melissa Hortman?

Interesting, though, how you don’t see conservatives starting riots and burning cities because of this, isn’t it? Very telling of the average mindset of each party’s supporters.
Ah, this is hilarious and such an own goal, because you don't know the basic facts about what you're complaining about lmao

93% of BLM protests were peaceful.
From the remaining 7% that turned violent we know that the violence was started by police in the majority of cases.
We also know for a fact that most riots were started by far right agitators and opportunists, not by left wing activists.

Those are facts, even proven with studies. So not only is your insinuation (once again) objectively wrong by trying to blame the left, it actually serves as another example of right wing extremism. It's goddamn hilarious how you keep falling for every trap possible.

Furthermore: Jan 6. You didn't see Democrats storming the Capitol this year did you? ;)

I’ll be honest: I don’t have the time or the patience to sift through pages upon pages of Vaenyr’s unhinged rants. Until I see hard unbiased evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe that leftist ideologies are responsible for this. If end up being incorrect, I’ll own up to it.
You already ended up being wrong, so time to own up. You are outright saying that you don't care about facts and will continue to lie through your teeth. It's very telling that you never dispute any of the claims made in our posts, probably because you know that you can't contest the facts. I gave you almost a dozen of sources that showed how the violence almost always originates from the right wing.

We know that you have the time. You constantly lurk the thread and react to various posts. You simply don't respect the members of the forum enough to engage with honesty and integrity. That's your right, I suppose. But don't think for a second anyone's falling for this pathetic framing. No worries though, we'll keep calling you out.
 
"Facts don't care about your feelings" - Ben Shapiro

How about we let Charlie's own words show what kind of a man he was? And how he was perceived internationally?

Charlie Kirk's Documented calls for political violence


Direct Calls for Death and Public Executions:​


Called for President Biden to receive "the death penalty for his crimes against America" (July 2023)

"Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?" - suggested children should watch (2024)

Called for "Nuremberg-style trials for every gender-affirming clinic doctor" invoking Nazi war crimes imagery (April 2024)



Calling for Lethal Force Against Migrants and Minorities:​


Advocated lethal force against migrants: "If you enter, we have lethal force, and we're willing to use it" and "You can start with firing next to them" (March 2024)
Advocated using whips against migrants, asking "Why is that controversial?"

Warned of "enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes" requiring armed response
Directed supporters: "Buy weapons. Buy ammo. If you go into a public place, bring a gun with you"



Violent Anti-LGBTQ+ Statements:​


Said he "would've loved" if fathers "formed a line" to physically confront transgender athletes: "you're going to have to come through us"

Called transgender people "an abomination" and "a throbbing middle finger to God"

Advocated handling LGBTQ+ people "the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s and 60s" (era of criminalization and forced institutionalization)



Extreme Anti-Black and Antisemitic Rhetoric:​


Called George Floyd a "scumbag"

Said Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a "huge mistake"

"If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified'"

Called Martin Luther King Jr. "awful" and "not a good person"

Claimed Jewish people control "not just the colleges; it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it"
"The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country"



Great Replacement Theory and White Supremacist Messaging:​


Promoted "Great Replacement" theory: "not a theory, it's a reality" - Democrats seek to "diminish and decrease white demographics in America"

SPLC documents Kirk warning that "native born Americans are being replaced by foreigners" and promising Trump will "liberate" the country from "the enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes"



Celebrating and Normalizing Violence:​


Said gun deaths are "worth it" to preserve Second Amendment rights

Promoted Christian nationalist "Seven Mountain Mandate" ideology calling for theocratic takeover through "spiritual warfare"



Targeting and Harassment Campaigns:​


Created "Professor Watchlists" that resulted in death threats, rape threats, and antisemitic harassment

Arizona State University President documented that Kirk's watchlist generated "antisemitic, anti-LGBTQ+ and misogynistic attacks on ASU faculty"

One professor resigned after "nearly a year of harassment by right-wing, white supremacist media outlets"

Maintained "School Board Watchlists" targeting local education officials



January 6 Capitol Attack Organization:​


Organized "80+ buses full of patriots to D.C. to fight for this president"

Admitted receiving "500 emails a minute calling for a civil war" before January 6

Pleaded the Fifth over 70 times when questioned by House January 6 Committee



Civil Rights Organizations' Classification as Extremist:​


Southern Poverty Law Center added Turning Point USA to official "Hate Map" as "antigovernment extremist group" (2024)

Anti-Defamation League documents Kirk's systematic antisemitic rhetoric

Academic research from Cambridge Core and Brookings Institution documents Kirk's rhetoric following established patterns of stochastic terrorism



Documented Legal Consequences and Criminal Investigations:​


Federal Election Commission fined Kirk's organization $18,000 for campaign finance violations

Multiple universities paid settlements totaling tens of thousands of dollars after Kirk's "Professor Watchlist" resulted in documented death threats

Criminal charges filed in multiple states against TPUSA personnel for violent confrontations, including felony assault charges in Arizona

Yolo County District Attorney investigating coordinated attacks at UC Davis that could result in felony charges carrying up to three years in prison



International Recognition as Extremist:​


Socialist Worker UK described his content as a "cesspit of far right lies, vile racism, transphobia"

CBC Canada documented his "combative style" as making him a "potent political force" in promoting extremist ideologies

Al Jazeera noted Kirk's "provocative style" as deliberately inflammatory political messaging



General Violence Normalization:​


Regularly promoted false claims about 2020 election integrity leading to January 6

Systematic rhetoric describing Democratic governance as illegitimate

Network Contagion Research Institute documents Kirk's systematic provision of mainstream legitimacy to white nationalist figures
 
Still trying to justify it... I'd suggest you carefully read through all the sources in this post you stole from reddit and stop flooding the zone during that time.
No, he isn't justifying the murder of Charlie Kirk. He should not have been murdered and the guy who did it will face justice. But trying to brand him with sainthood just is not right and especially not when multiple right-wing figures and lawmakers have been using this murder to call for imprisoning democrats, ban the Democrat party, imprison lawmakers, wage war, conduct killings and so on - many of these posts were deleted as soon as the perp was found to be a white guy from a conservative MAGA family.
 
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Still trying to justify it... I'd suggest you carefully read through all the sources in this post you stole from reddit and stop flooding the zone during that time.
No one's "justifying" anything. It wasn't from reddit either. As I said time and time again, I'm not celebrating his death and it sucks for his family that they witnessed such a horrific event. For everyone else who was present obviously too; no one should see another human being murdered in front of their eyes. Even though Kirk himself disagreed with this idea, since he wanted children to witness executions, but we'll ignore that for now.

I'm sharing facts. Your refusal of accepting that speaks volumes.

Also, I've been following Charlie and other conservative political commentators since 2019 to keep up with their unhinged lunacy. I'm deeply familiar with the monstrous takes he's said over the years.

Y'all are trying to shame us into feeling bad that a genuinely evil human being died, but can't even condemn a far right, christofascist extremist.
 
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