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Yax said:
Look, I get it. Kirk was a symbol and a spokesman for a movement that I find beyond repulsive. But he meant a great deal for great many people, many of them having disgusting opinions centered on racism, anti-women, anti-poor and repression. If it were Obama who had died or was killed, the internet, and probably including politicians, would have been filled with right-wingers celebrating his death because he stands for everything they do not. And I would have been outraged at that. The difference though, albeit the right-wingers would find that neglible, is that he wasn't about turning the U.S. into a Christian Taliban state and wasn't about trying to make life miserable for 50% of the population like MAGA seems to.
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We don't even need such a hypothetical. When the Democratic state senator was assassinated a couple of months ago, many high profile conservative figure joked about that incident.
 
Vaenyr said:
We don't even need such a hypothetical. When the Democratic state senator was assassinated a couple of months ago, many high profile conservative figure joked about that incident.
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Yep, and Pelosi’s husbands assault - which Trump also joked about.
Still, and I repeat, just because Trump and many of his cronies and cultists are awful people, does not mean people should gloat about Kirk being murdered. He should not have been murdered, but it doesn't absolve him or MAGA from the horrific and unconstitutional things that they put the US and citizens through. But this is an assault on democracy, and this time not by the Trump administration.
 
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Aggelos said:
I am. Direct your anger at me.
One less motherfucker, is one less motherfucker.
Small victory but I'll take it.
Don't you Americans have a saying that goes
"If you live by the sword,
you will die by the sword"?
So why are you so surprised?
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Me too.

I knew little of him before this but doing my research showed that he regularly advocated for gun violence against his political opponents and LGBTQ+. Stating that they should be shot on live tv. Well, looks like the Grim Reaper was listening. Let's not forget that he was a nazi.

And he was just an online political agitator, not an elected representative. The American equivalent of Tommy Robinson. The fact that Trump is flying half-mast flags is abhorrent as it is hilarious. There used to be an age when shooting nazis was celebrated you know?

So yeah, the bastard got what he asked for (and deserved) and I'm glad he's dead. The world is a better place without people like him.
 
Final statement I’ll make on the matter: I don’t think murdering an unarmed person is okay. I don’t think someone using a gun on any school campus (or anywhere) is okay.

Charlie Kirk was an abhorrent piece of shit and the world will be better without his propaganda. Do I think he deserved to be shot in the neck on a school campus? No.

For everyone who wants us to “do something”: support stricter gun control.
 
My final comment on Charlie is to share a collection of things he said over the years. It's only fair to remember a public figure's legacy.

From now on I'll focus on the fact that Trump is a convicted felon and pedophile. We can't forget that.
 

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Isn't it a bit interesting that the shooter, who seemingly has pro level skills, just vanished into thin air in a busy college campus? Or that the police still have yet to issue a description?

All of this happening the day after Trump's birthday card to Epstien is revealed as well.
 
Spaldy said:
Isn't it a bit interesting that the shooter, who seemingly has pro level skills, just vanished into thin air in a busy college campus? Or that the police still have yet to issue a description?

All of this happening the day after Trump's birthday card to Epstien is revealed as well.
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I think this is tin foil hat style thinking, but you can add to that it would give him a convenient excuse to send in the army to University campuses.
 
It’s mega shameful to celebrate the death of a person who tried to influence the world with oral debate and persuasion.
I wasn’t expecting to see so many cheering for a political assassination. A very well organized and operated one too.
Because that what it was, not a blind mass shooting by some lunatic. It has nothing to do with arms control. Assassins will always find guns no matter legislation.

EDIT: I put a few people on ignore after this.
 
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____no5 said:
who tried to influence the world with oral debate and persuasion.
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He was a literal nazi and a fascist propagandist. He did not care about debate. He was spreading hate, inciting violence, and advocating for white supremacy.
Look at this post.

If a left wing political commentator had died instead Kirk would be celebrating, as would the entire right wing. The hypocrisy is what's truly shameful.

He was a genuinely evil person and the world is better off without him. Sucks for his family and friends though.
 
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EDIT: I put a few people on ignore after this.
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Likewise. I have only had brief forays into this thread but I can see why other posters have given up on it when seeing the extreme views of many who would ironically categorise themselves as being on the kind and compassionate side of politics. And to think these people still can't figure out why their side is losing elections the world over. But, alas, they will bury their heads in the sand, blame the 'literal Nazis and fascists' (the threshold for this qualification seems to be getting lower by the year) and call everyone who disagrees with them morons or, worse still, claim the world is a better place when people who disagree with them are killed.
 
UpTheIrons said:
And to think these people still can't figure out why their side is losing elections the world over. But, alas, they will bury their heads in the sand, blame the 'literal Nazis and fascists' (the threshold for this qualification seems to be getting lower by the year)
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People also used to wonder why a bunch of their friends and family bought snake oil.

The threshold will get lower as viewpoints that were once promoted by Nazis and fascists are championed by the current ruling political party.

You’re preaching compassion for a man who literally said compassion was a weakness.
 
The fact that we’ve had pages and pages of triggered discourse over the assassination of a non-elected Conservative citizen and not one single centrist/conservative on here had literally anything to say about the assassination of a sitting Democratic representative Melissa Hortman (and her husband) says it all.
 
MrKnickerbocker said:
People also used to wonder why a bunch of their friends and family bought snake oil.

The threshold will get lower as viewpoints that were once promoted by Nazis and fascists are championed by the current ruling political party.

You’re preaching compassion for a man who literally said compassion was a weakness.
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For what it's worth, I actually discovered yesterday that the quote that is being bandied about regarding empathy is half a quote being taken out of context and that he went on to say he prefers the term sympathy to empathy. Still not a remark I would concur with but selective quoting is disingenuous.

Regardless, my feeling compassion towards others is not conditional on them feeling compassion for me, and I do happen to have compassion for victims of violence and for their loved ones.

not one single centrist/conservative on here had literally anything to say about the assassination of a sitting Democratic representative Melissa Hortman (and her husband) says it all.
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On this, I must say as a non-American this event did not have the same wall-to-wall media coverage as the Charlie Kirk assassination and I was not aware that it had occurred. Having looked at this event, it goes without saying that it is an absolutely reprehensible crime, the perpetrator should face the highest level of punishment and any right-wingers reveling in it are disgusting ghouls who can lay no claim to moral righteousness.
 
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