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LooseCannon

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Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

The question regarding Rudy Giuliani that should be asked is this: does being mayor of the largest city in the United States qualify someone to be President of the United States?

Giuliani has extensive experience as a lawyer and, arguably, wasn't such a bad mayor of NYC.  However, I would certainly not believe that running NYC is anything similar to running the USA.  Giuliani obviously knows this, and that's why he continues to capitalize on his experience running a city in face of crisis.  Which is nice, and all, but you handle a federal emergency much differently to an urban emergency.  Policy-wise, he's not bad, but he clearly doesn't understand his voting base.

Being mayor, even of NYC, involves very little international experience.  Giuliani has no experience running an army, whereas governors have state militias they are at least theoretically in charge of.  Giuliani has no experience with an independent congress - city council is significantly different in both scope and powers, and it's unicameral.
 

Forostar

Ancient Mariner
Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

I find the candidates' views/ideas on various issues way more important than experience. However, I haven't read his ideas yet. I guess I should do that first to have a better image of him.
 

LooseCannon

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Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

Views are nice, but experience has to mean something too.  Specifically, it tells us how good a candidate is at following through with his ideals.
 

Wästed The Great

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Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

If 'following through' is of concern, Rudy has some issues there!  I think they crack jokes about his frequent divorces.  However, I think of him as an 'also ran'.  I don't see much of a chance reaching many main-stream republicans.

@GK, you are welcome!  The Daily Show is something that I try to watch each day.  Sometimes its almost more revealing about political figures than any 'real' coverage!
 

Ranko

I'll shoot the gunner first!
Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

Just wanted to let you know that Ron Paul won second place in both New Hampshire and Louisiana, and apparently the mainstream media haven't reported much about him...
 

Genghis Khan

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Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

I like Ron Paul's economic policies.  The fact that the conservatives do not consider him as a potential representative in the White House shows how far the right is from the ideals of capitalism.
 

Wästed The Great

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Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

I saw/read somewhere that the republicans are pretty scared of Ron Paul.  I think the disparity is due to the fact that he has ideals that are what many would consider 'pure' republican, but they feel that the 'purity' will not win the white house, and don't see him as a viable candidate for them.
 

LooseCannon

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Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

gulranek said:
Just wanted to let you know that Ron Paul won second place in both New Hampshire and Louisiana, and apparently the mainstream media haven't reported much about him...

Uh.  Wtf.

Ron Paul won second place in the scarcely covered Nevada primary, coming in 35 points back of Mitt Romney, who won.

Paul was 5th in New Hampshire, finishing with 8% of the votes, behind McCain, Romney, Huckabee, and Giuliani.

Louisiana's Republican primary is not until February 9th, so it would have been very difficult for him to place 2nd there.
 

Genghis Khan

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Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

Forostar said:
I only wanted to stir up this topic a bit. I guess he has some experience.

Actually, I meant the opposite -- Giuliani does not have much experience.  I guess I wasn't clear.
 

Wästed The Great

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Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

Ah, however he does seem to be adept at double-talk.  Which you can hear between the 9/11 stories.
 

Onhell

Infinite Dreamer
Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

Giuliani expects to be elected on his 9/11 experience and the fire department and other agencies have told him to go fuck him self if he thinks he "saved" ny singlehandedly.
 

Ranko

I'll shoot the gunner first!
Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

LooseCannon said:
Uh.  Wtf.

Ron Paul won second place in the scarcely covered Nevada primary, coming in 35 points back of Mitt Romney, who won.

Paul was 5th in New Hampshire, finishing with 8% of the votes, behind McCain, Romney, Huckabee, and Giuliani.

Louisiana's Republican primary is not until February 9th, so it would have been very difficult for him to place 2nd there.

Hm... My bad, I meant second place in Nevada, and it looks like it's second place in the number of delegates in Louisiana. My apologies.
 

LooseCannon

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Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

What do you mean by second in the number of delegates?  Louisiana hasn't selected any delegates yet.

Regardless, Ron Paul isn't a contender.  One second place finish in a barely covered state doesn't do him any good.  It wasn't even a close race. He's got a powerful grassroots campaign, but it's not translating into votes, and it won't translate into votes.
 
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Anonymous

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Jesus f*cking Christ, why do these elections have to be so bloody complicated?
 
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Anonymous

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Ooh, a dusty old pseudo-classic!
 
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Wästed The Great

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Re: USA Elections: Candidates Comparison

I'm a fan of Mom, Apple Pie and Sour-Mash... not that anyone cares.

So, Obama leads Clinton in SC (though its still a few hours till the race is officially over)-- last I saw, it was B.A. with 38%, H.C. with 30% and J.E. in the high teens. 

And it is almost getting hard to listen to; 'the black vote makes SC not a true test of Hilary's true position in the polls'.  Every other news source using the term 'race card'.  Too bad its not just 'Americans voting for their choice'.  --but thats a lot to ask for.
 

LooseCannon

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The race card is a story that can be easily played by the media to attract attention.  Look at how they've been pushing it, when Bill Clinton has said nothing more than, well, what seems obvious to me.

To be fair, it'd be almost impossible for a Democratic winner candidate in SC to not have the majority black vote, considering a majority of Democrats in South Carolina are black.  And isn't it callous to suggest that SC doesn't count as much because the folks there are black?  Are black people still only 3/5ths of a person?!
 
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