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Tonight, in four different stories in four different media outlets such as the NY Times and People Magazine, five different women accused Donald Trump of unwanted kisses, touching, groping, and the like.

It seems likely to drive his numbers with women/decent humans down even more, and directly contradicts his debate time statement that he never touched or kissed someone without consent.
 
And there is probably more where this came from. "October surprise" is putting it mildly.
 
Mosh said:
Hillary is your traditional political liar. Half truths, obfuscation, excluding details, etc. Based on the first debate, there were only a few things that were blatant "pants on fire" lies from her. But it's that sort of shadiness that turns people away from her. Politifact is a great source because it measures those nuances.
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Exactly, if she were running against a "normal" candidate, especially with all the Wikileaks stuff coming out on her (and her close advisers, like Podesta) daily .. she would be getting hammered, but running against possibly the biggest moron in the world has its advantages. If anything, I hope she ends up being more like her Wall Street speeches than her campaign speeches .. that person is halfway reasonable
 
LooseCannon said:
Tonight, in four different stories in four different media outlets such as the NY Times and People Magazine, five different women accused Donald Trump of unwanted kisses, touching, groping, and the like.
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Trump's core group is likely to jump to the conclusion that accusatories are just desperate fame whores looking for attention, so it won't make a difference on their part. But the accusations alone are likely to create an added layer of shitstorm, especially among female voters.

Only way seems to be south for the Donald at this point, finally.
 
Mosh said:
I don't know if I see the GOP getting its act together by 2020.
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Unless Hillary proves to be a wildly successful president, which is extremely unlikely with the Republicans surely planning 4 more years of obstructionism, this probably won't happen. I personally think she should have announced long ago she was only intending to run for one term.
 
It all depends. It all depends on how hard Trump breaks against establishment Republicans. Some of them are already hastily re-endorsing him, as they see how much of their base is pro-Trump.

What I'm worried about now is not whether or not Trump wins. I'm 99.9% sure he won't. I am worried he will stand up there on election night and say something like, "You know, what they, the Hillarys, the Obamas, the way that losers like Mitt Romney did it, they think I am supposed to get up here, and bow, and smile, and say something like congratulations. You know these people, they actually want me to congratulate them. We know the truth. We know the polls were wrong. We know the media was in Crooked Hillary's pocket. Nothing we did mattered. They asked Bill if he attacked women? No, they didn't. Me? They wouldn't believe it. We had all the evidence, the best evidence, that the claims were bulls...they were bulls...ok, I won't say it, but you know what it was. So Crooked Hillary stole one more thing. She stole the election. I'm not supposed to say it, but I'm saying it. She stole the election. And me? I won't be President. Unless, you know, people say loud, Crooked Hillary, you aren't president - Donald Trump is. Now I'm not saying go out there and protest. I'm not saying there should be Second Amendment solutions to the problem of this election being stolen. But many people have already called me, and they have said, 'Donald, you really won the election, we are not going to stand for it. We are going to go after this Crooked Fake President with all our rights.' And some said including their Second Amendment rights. I'm not saying it, but many people are, and maybe it is a thing we should listen to, that Crooked Hillary is Crooked President Hillary, and Donald Trump should be the real president."
 
The Flash said:
I highly doubt they'd take the same "this lunatic is irrelevant" approach again.
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It's more complicated than that now. The next campaign effectively begins as soon as the election ends and the DNC is going to continue building their resources to keep Hillary in office. There's also four years for her optics to change and incumbents rarely lose elections.

Meanwhile the GOP just imploded. The Trumpites aren't going away. Whether or not Donald becomes president, the fact he got this far gives validation to his nationalist rhetoric. The GOP is going to have to rebrand itself and figure out how whether they'll be the Trump party or if they can expand their demographic. This sort of thing takes more than 4 years and is all going down while Hillary is making arrangements for reelection.

Of course this also isn't taking into account externalities such as terrorist attacks, recessions, and, of course, more scandals. But if the next 4 years are pretty status quo and Hillary doesn't take anybody's guns away, the GOP will have less ammo.

There are a lot of variables involved but I think 2020 will prove to be less of an uphill battle for Clinton. Personally, I think the Republicans' best bet is Nikki Haley. But they need to figure that out right now and start rallying the base around her (or whoever it is) now instead of letting a million candidates turn the debate stage into another circus.
 
Let's say Hillary wins and is a terrible president; if she chooses to run for 2nd term, will she automatically be the Democratic candidate or will she have to go through primaries again? From what I can see, the last POTUS not to run for 2nd term was Chester A. Arthur like 150 years ago (not counting the ones that died in office).
 
That only happens if someone chooses to primary her. It won't happen unless she is so bad that she can't the next election.
 
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