UK Politics

Boroking said:
Oh my bloody god she's gone. Well yet another leadership election is due. Which is ridiculous. Ring the changes, lets have a general election. There's no other way
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Look at it this way: Before the reign of Charles is over, every last Tory member will have been Prime Minister and you're going to be rid of them all.
 
Apparently Boris Johnson will run in the leadership election. Incredible.

Liz Truss ran on an economic platform, won on that platform, instituted the platform, and immediately crashed the economy. They damn near wiped out the entire UK pensions system and drove the pound into the dirt. Conservatives are fucking dangerous.
 
LooseCannon said:
Apparently Boris Johnson will run in the leadership election. Incredible.

Liz Truss ran on an economic platform, won on that platform, instituted the platform, and immediately crashed the economy. They damn near wiped out the entire UK pensions system and drove the pound into the dirt. Conservatives are fucking dangerous.
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The current lot definitely are.

Regarding Boris Johnson, having him back would be the final nail in the coffin of a country in free fall.
 
RTC said:
I can't think of one good reason to leave the EU.

Sovereignty - Sleight of hand; what good is sovereignty when you lack the ability to exercise it, particularly on a global stage when Britain is relegated from a global power to at least a regional power.

New trade deals - Takes far too much time to establish, particularly without tariffs, and when the EU takes up nearly half of your trade and leaving it would incur more taxation, it's not worth it. TTIP and CETA are happening, with the UK or without it, so that's the US and Canada taken up with regards to large trade deals.

Immigration - An issue blown out of proportion. No one is in favour of mass immigration, neither is anyone in favour of zero immigration. It's a problem, but leaving the EU wouldn't solve or change anything.

The EU "Laws" - Misreprensation, they are regulation enforced on businesses, not normal people. And regulations that protect consumer rights, make products safe and of high quality are pretty good regulations in my view. When is the last time your personal liberties have been crushed by the EU?

Bureaucracy - Read Max Weber; you may not admire it, but it's the best system we have, particularly for such a large collective of people.

Project Fear - It's only an aspect of the Remain argument. The entire basis of the Leave argument, from square one, is fear-mongering, and paranoid populism.

Sticking it to "the man" - This vote has nothing to do with Cameron. And what's more, when you continue to vote against the man, you'll end up with a new man to fight. Power always finds a place to rest its head after all.



But I can think of plenty of reasons to vote Remain.

The potential - The greatest hegemony in our time is the USA. A European superstate could surpass even that. It's optimistic, but most certainly something we should aspire for.

Stability - No-one is denying that a Brexit won't bring disarray. Why should we risk losing potentially millions of jobs, crippling the growth of the pound and going against what independent experts on the matter have to say, just to leave the EU?

Four freedoms - Free movement of goods, people, services and capital are huge and tangible achievements. It would be a tragedy to see them rolled back.

The trojan horse of Brexit - Brexit is a trojan horse for the alt-right to express their callous and retrograde view on the world. Populism is a festering cancer that is manifesting itself in mainstream politics and the epitome of hypocrisy.

Research funding - Enough said.

It's progressive - It's absolutely amazing the amount of progress we've made after WW2, and we really don't give enough credit for the good that the EU has done for everyone involved in it. We only accentuate the negatives and ignore the positives because that is our human nature. Voting Leave would be a giant step backwards.

There are more reasons, but I think that forms a solid case as to why you should vote Remain.
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Your comment wasn't long enough dude, im still awake. Delete it and make it longer, I will save the new version for my beddybize tonight
 
CriedWhenBrucieLeft said:
UPDATE: Farage is getting the excuses in early. Not sure if I'm particularly buoyed by this information, as it still sounds like it's going to be scarily close.

UPDATE: Newcastle, first big city result, has declared: Remain 50.7% Leave 49.3%. Remain only won by ~1800 votes. Fuck that's close; far closer than predicted. The markets have reacted already, after rallying earlier today; the pound is tanking...

UPDATE: Sunderland is in: Remain 38.6% Leave 61.3%. Expected, apparently; but not by quite so much...

UPDATE: Two Scottish results have already been declared (of five declarations): Remain 63% Leave 37% (Orkney); Remain 58% Leave 42% (Clackmannanshire).

UPDATE: First NI vote, in a strongly nationalist area: Remain 78% Leave 22% (Foyle).

Remain is leading by ~20,000 votes nationally after six declarations.
It's 00:50 GMT here; national result should be known in the next four or five hours.
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We should have Trump as PM and Farage as deputy. MBGA!!!
 
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