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The PM has complied with his obligation to send a letter to the EU requesting a further extension but has not signed the letter. He has also sent (and signed) a second letter saying that the EU shouldn't permit a further extension.
 
In a bizarre bout of hypocracy the DUP have showed up in Stormont today for the first time in 3 years to protest AGAINST the UK laws on same sex marriage and abortion being extended to Northern Ireland.
 
Forostar said:
What a brilliant, excellently argued speech by that Liberal Democrats lady. Does anyone follow this debate?
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People say this a lot, and it might sound good to you, but the real question should be: does it move the needle? If it doesn't, then it wasn't really useful or good.
 
Not sure who she was. Thought the name sounded different. She is an ex-Minister.

Yes, it sounds good to me. It does not have to move the needle but if it can help to stop the damned record, and play the other side. That would be great. Apart from her excellent arguments to remain in the EU, she had great spirit, and said, whatever the outcome, she'll never give up for the people in the future who now are worse off when leaving.
 
I have not been following things this afternoon, but that would probably have been Jo Swinson. Shame she has to live with the toxic legacy from Nick Clegg who tarnished the Liberal Democrat brand so badly.
 
Forostar said:
Yes, it sounds good to me. It does not have to move the needle but if it can help to stop the damned record, and play the other side. That would be great. Apart from her excellent arguments to remain in the EU, she had great spirit, and said, whatever the outcome, she'll never give up for the people in the future who now are worse off when leaving.
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Yes, but if it doesn't convince anyone to change their places, then what's the point? Too much rhetoric in politics these days.
 
Huh... parliament delayed Brexit. But the PM said that legislation is now paused immediately and that he plans to say to EU he still wishes to Brexit on October 31st?? WTF?


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What I do not understand well is how these two votings can be seen together?
How can people vote FOR the deal AND still wish to EXAMINE it AFTERWARDS? I understand the time needed for examination, but then why already vote for it? What is that first voting worth?

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This looks weird as well.

- PM says remarkable stuff
- many parliament members are surprised and not amused
- PM does not answer/say anything again
- PM LEAVES the house
- the speaker keeps answering questions
 
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@Forostar some MPs have voted for the withdrawal agreement in principal but have also voted against the PM's preferred timetable in order to let parliament scrutinise the bill with more detail than the PM would like. It's a 100+ page document which is not written in plain English so many MPs were unhappy about the amount of time allotted to scrutinise the bill. By denying the PM his preferred timetable, MPs can debate the bill line-by-line and table amendments such as a customs union or a confirmatory referendum. MPs who voted for the deal in principle but also voted against the timetable motion support leaving the EU with a deal but they want to make sure the legislation is properly scrutinised.
 
So the contents of the deal could still change?

Which in theory (also) could mean that there could be LESS support next time. And the EU has a say again as well.
 
Forostar said:
So the contents of the deal could still change?
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The contents of the legislation could change. I think that parliament could compell the government to seek a customs union in negotiations after exit day but that doesn't necessarily mean that the EU would agree to it.
Forostar said:
And the EU has a say again as well.
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Yep. The EU basically holds all the cards here, which many Brexit supporters have been in denial about since this whole sorry process started.
 
I believe the former Northern Ireland secretary has in parliament today quoted the words of Michael Collins when arguing to accept the treaty that ended the Irish War of Independence. To paraphrase, the gist of those words were, that in arguing to accept the deal, you aren't getting exactly what you want right now but are in a position that it can be used as a stepping stone at a later date.

FYI: after agreeing the treaty to end the War of Independence, a brutal civil war ensued, and the status of a de facto Republic wasn't achieved until 15 years later, and the Republic wasn't declared until 27 years later. Not a good brexit omen :lol:

EDIT: oh yeah, and Collins was murdered.
 
So Johnson wants snap elections.

I'm thinking there's a lady he should speak to. Her name is Theresa May. She has some experience with all of this.
 
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