UK Politics

December 12th it is then. :dancinggeek:

I'll be in San Francisco that week so will have to register for a postal vote. At least the timezone works out nicely for watching the results coming in.
 
I very much doubt Remain will seriously be on the table, in England at least, and the other options will be 1) indistinct state of disagreement/stalemate, as at present, or 2) not giving a flying f*** what happens as long as we leave as fast as possible. Johnson is almost certainly trying to both purge elected Conservatives who present any threat to him in future, and secure a Conservative majority in Parliament by presenting this as The People versus The Suits, attempting to woo people who otherwise hate the Conservatives with a passion but fiercely want out of the EU as fast as humanly possible.

It'll be interesting to see how pro Remain and pro Deal voters vote, given that there are habitual Conservative voters who feel this way but are difficult to persuade to vote for anyone other than the Conservatives. Labour have been pretty useless and are still running scared of losing support in their traditional areas of support to a populist crusade.
 
Black Wizard said:
December 12th it is then. :dancinggeek:

I'll be in San Francisco that week so will have to register for a postal vote. At least the timezone works out nicely for watching the results coming in.
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I'll be online for it. We should do a Maidenfans election watching party.
 
Black Wizard said:
I'll probably be watching it with other British people at the conference. I wonder if any bars will put on the TV coverage. Depends on what stupid shit Trump has been saying.
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.. or Thursday night football, or NBA or NHL but not sure how many people will care about Jets/Ravens ... but avoid a sports bar :)
 
Dr. Eddies Wingman said:
If you in fact do hold a general election before the new Brexit deadline - are there any clear ways to see what the outcome of the election will have to say for the outcome of the Brexit saga? E.g. "Conservative majority - accept current deal and exit" or "Labour + LibDem majority --> new referendum"? And is there some kind of consensus now as to which options would be included in a second referendum? I mean, accept the deal and leave is an obvious possibility. But will both "remain" and "sod the deal, hard Brexit it is" be on the table?
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Labour would not accept Boris Johnson's deal as it does not protect workers' rights (something that Theresa May's deal did), so a Labour + LibDem majority would probably try to negotiate a new deal and ask the people to decide whether they want it or prefer to stay in the EU.

Dr. Eddies Wingman said:
All this would, of course, have been avoided if the premise for the first referendum was yes or no to negotiate with the EU for an exit deal, and that there would be a second referendum once a deal had been reached, where the options were to accept the deal and leave, or remain.
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So true. It would have been much easier that way, but David Cameron never thought the Brexit camp would win.
 
Was that required to write three posts?

Notice how @londongeorge didn't respond to any of the questions asked of him last time, he simply pushed the discussion to blame Parliament. He follows standard right-wing discussion points, including this gem: "stating the facts as I see them". That means "stating my opinion as fact", even though he hasn't supported it with any points.

He then tosses in "Boris will get the last laugh", a promise to "win".

Standard right wing trolling and failing to engage on the issues.
 
It is of course just my opinion and is of course only as I see it. The facts as I see them. You don't agree obviously. I genuinely don't see anyone else likely to deliver Brexit at this point. I think that's a reasonable point. Who do you suggest is capable in parliament right now? Brexit is the issue and I'm engaging with rock solid common sense.
 
londongeorge said:
It is of course just my opinion and is of course only as I see it. The facts as I see them. You don't agree obviously. I genuinely don't see anyone else likely to deliver Brexit at this point. I think that's a reasonable point. Who do you suggest is capable in parliament right now? Brexit is the issue and I'm engaging with rock solid common sense.
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If you want to have the conversation on that, the answer is, "Brexit requires a majority of MPs to deliver. Boris seems to have gained that, but an election will test whether or not the British people believe it should be done, and if so, that Boris should do it."
 
I'm not clear who you are quoting but I totally agree with that. My point was simply that I think Boris is the only man for the job at present. I didn't say I was his biggest fan or anything.
 
Well, apparently it's not good enough for Nigel Garage, who says Boris must dump his Brexit deal or the Brexit Party will run in every riding.
 
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