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Black Wizard said:
I tend not to pay much attention to what the SNP say. I wonder if it's something to do with customs union not permitting freedom of movement?
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Regulatory alignment (being omitted) is a reason cited by Soubry (independent, ex-CON); so I suspect that is why the SNP didn't vote for it either. Not clear though.
Black Wizard said:
SNP are complaining that Labour didn't whip for the SNP option. Swings and roundabouts.
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Not sure if either party have been particularly strong on any of this.
 
CriedWhenBrucieLeft said:
Not sure if either party have been particularly strong on any of this.
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I don't think any party has particularly strong throughout this whole sorry saga.

They'll be revisiting the indicative votes again on Wednesday and might get closer to finding something where "yes" wins. If every MP could vote it would help. Whipping and abstaining is not constructive here. Perhaps if parliament would allow the votes to be kept secret for a while it might allow MPs to vote for what they think is best rather than what they're told to vote for. Whipping almost makes this a pointless exercise.

I mentioned Tory MP Mark Francois on the previous page. He is literally the worst of the anti-EU Tories. Was just on BBC Radio 4 and gave a message to the Chancellor, Philip Hammond: "My fraternal message to you.. Up yours." What a piece of shit.

Nick Boles, who tabled one of the motions today, has just resigned from the Conservative party in the House of Commons and received a round of applause from the opposition MPs. Theresa's majority with the DUP is getting narrower and narrower. Anna Soubry has just invited him to join The Independent Group, or Change UK as they will soon be known.
 
The conservatives are the major assholes frustrating all this. As you can see there is a strong pattern here:

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No it was not. I had enough of it after 2 minutes. The sole focus on costs is dumb. Only EU sceptics and "own problem"-fetisjists may want to jerk themselves off hearing such language, but I rather focus on the benefits as well.

"So when Weidel criticises the EU for being too hard on the UK during the negotiations, what she, Gauland and their fellow Brexit-enviers are really afraid of is the opposite: that by giving the British government just enough rope to hoist itself by its own petard, Brussels has shown the rest of Europe the folly of separatism in an age of cooperation."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/02/alice-weidel-jacob-rees-mogg-erg-afd-eu
 
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Forostar said:
No it was not. I had enough of it after 2 minutes.
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Well it's something I guess... ::)
Forostar said:
So did you see this? Be careful what you vote next time. Conservatives may wish to screw you over again.
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I did see that last night. No surprise there. I won't be voting Conservative at the next election, but nor will I vote Labour. Both main parties have screwed the country around too much. The Liberal Democrats are nauseatingly pro-EU too, so I would have doubts about voting for them.
Forostar said:
Did she pop out the Union Jack out of her business suit?
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Just watch the damn video. What have you got to lose?
 
The graphic certainly is revealing but far from surprising. Nobody in the UK or Ireland needs to see a graphic to know that the Conservatives are a total bunch of bastards. Anyone who voted Leave assuming that a Conservative government would suddenly invest in social housing or hospitals or bring in anything that would benefit the 99% were truly delusional.
 
GhostofCain said:
Is always on my side.
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Yes, but @Forostar has a wife, kids and a band. I assume sometimes he has to prioritize those over watching politicians on Youtube :D

On topic: Now that Parliament is voting down one option after the other, is there any option left that has not been subjected to a parliamentary vote yet? Hard Brexit, no thanks. May's deal, no thanks, new referendum, no thanks ...

For you Brits on here - do you have an impression of what kind of Brexit the Leave voters (or the majority of them) wanted? Was it believed that a reasonable deal could be made before exiting, or was the idea already back in 2016 a full Ctrl-Alt-Delete of the relations to the rest of Europe, i.e. what is now labeled as a hard Brexit?

What the last few months have shown, is that a simple remain/leave referendum was a bad idea, since the manner of leaving was not clear. Paul Simon should write a new song, titled "50 ways to leave the EU" ... because with 50 options, there should at least be one that would satisfy the pro-Brexit camp enough that they could gather around it.
 
Dr. Eddies Wingman said:
s there any option left that has not been subjected to a parliamentary vote yet?
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I can't think of any off the top of my head, but they are revisiting this process tomorrow with a view to getting closer to finding an appropriate compromise. On the previous page I suggested they should try to find the least objectionable option by process of elimination. Like a Brexit Survivor or something.

Dr. Eddies Wingman said:
do you have an impression of what kind of Brexit the Leave voters (or the majority of them) wanted?
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Lots of people for to leave for different reasons. Some because of immigration concerns and others because the object to the influence of the EU on laws. I have no idea what the majority view among them was, principally because there was no public discussion about the nature of our relationship with the EU before calling for a referendum.
 
Most interviewed Leave sheep in the average UK pub/community building/streetcorner simply bleat "Out is Out" and they prefer to be angry about just this: "We want out and politicians do not listen us."

So, most people who voted leave do not seem to care a rat's ass why or how. Just Leave. It makes them feel good. I am beginning to be convinced more and more that it might not harm the EU to get "rid" of unreasonable folk, but it is against my wish to separate.
 
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