UK Politics

Zare said:
Let's get one thing straight - Melania is irrelevant because she's not the type of immigrant these people hate. They hate poor immigrants, not rich ones (trophy wives included)
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Exactly. The anti-immigration people are happy for wealthy foreigners to come over and invest money and pay taxes. They're happy for skilled foreigners such as medical and academic doctors to enter as they benefit the country. They're also happy for foreign students to study at the universities as they'll spend thousands and thousands of pounds on tuition fees and spend their money in bars.

The type of migrant they dislike are the people who come looking for low pay, low skill jobs in places like coffee shops and sandwich shops as this apparently takes jobs away from the local population. However, as is often pointed out, the local population often turns their noses up at these kind of jobs.
 
Black Wizard said:
The type of migrant they dislike are the people who come looking for low pay, low skill jobs in places like coffee shops and sandwich shops as this apparently takes jobs away from the local population. However, as is often pointed out, the local population often turns their noses up at these kind of jobs.
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Whenever someone says "They come to take our jobs", my answer always is "No, they come to do the jobs you do not want to do".
 
Black Wizard said:
Exactly. The anti-immigration people are happy for wealthy foreigners to come over and invest money and pay taxes. They're happy for skilled foreigners such as medical and academic doctors to enter as they benefit the country. They're also happy for foreign students to study at the universities as they'll spend thousands and thousands of pounds on tuition fees and spend their money in bars.

The type of migrant they dislike are the people who come looking for low pay, low skill jobs in places like coffee shops and sandwich shops as this apparently takes jobs away from the local population. However, as is often pointed out, the local population often turns their noses up at these kind of jobs.
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I've recently heard, the U.K so hates poor immigrants they won't grant you citizenship unless you meet a certain level of income. Is that correct?
 
There was something reported recently that the Tories would bring in a situation where highly skilled workers will be given priority and you have to be earning £30,000 to be considered highly skilled. NHS nurse wages are below this threshold and something like 10% of nurses are foreign nationals. You would almost think that they were trying to run the NHS into the ground....
 
I think Dominic Raab said that nurses would be exempt from that. But he's out of the picture now...

How the hell a nurse isn't considered to be highly skilled is beyond me. They're severely underpaid for what they do and the hours they work.
 
Brigantium said:
I've met several politicians who were big on nationalism, critical of immigration, and all had foreign wives or partners.
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Makes a lot of sense, come to think of it.
I'm also pretty sure that when Marx & Engels, over a drink or two, talked and then wrote about the downtrodden masses and their imminent revolt, what they really had in mind was themselves and their wives.
Bloody Lenin just didn't get it, cause it didn't apply to him really.
 
Black Wizard said:
I think Dominic Raab said that nurses would be exempt from that. But he's out of the picture now...

How the hell a nurse isn't considered to be highly skilled is beyond me. They're severely underpaid for what they do and the hours they work.
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Nurses get treated like shop floor. There's still that hierarchy thing in so many industries.
 
Well, that and the type of work done. Nurses do something practical and hands-on, most of them aren't managers, and there are a lot of them.
 
Indeed, but it's still driven by the legacy of female-associated roles.. There's a reason train drivers are paid more than double what your average nurse is paid; and it has nothing to do with the job either do.
 
We were once told that journalists were shop floor, like factory workers, because they produce something.
 
Well, I guess that's the price to pay for leaving the EU. May's deal seems to be much better than no-deal.

Out of curiosity: have the studies been done by the same people who failed to predict the financial crisis 10 years ago or by some other pundits?
 
GhostofCain said:
Out of curiosity: have the studies been done by the same people who failed to predict the financial crisis 10 years ago or by some other pundits?
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Governments were very rosy in 2008 about the financial situation. A lot of financial analysts weren't. I remember learning in university about the subprime mortgage bubble and how it would impact our shared economies - and that was 3-4 years before the bubble burst.
 
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