SixesAlltheway
Ancient Mariner
Oh, maybe I should be clear I mean like audio CD', not DVD's.
Things about Iron Maiden that annoy you
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Ashes In Your Mouth
Tyrant
Sixes mentioned: "FULL high quality live shows (again like Hammersmith) is what I'm after here also..."
I agree strongly.
"Dallas, 1983 one release and the next Budokan Tokyo 87"
Especially with these two tours.
Even if the original source tape isn't in great quality, modern technology makes it possible to "enhance" the quality of the tape. Look at what they did with Led Zeppelin on How the West Was Won-dvd. Of course, it takes effort, money and time to get it properly done, but I would imagine there are enough Maiden fans to make it worthwhile.
P.S. At least Maiden has several brilliant dvds released from the 80s. I wish there was at least ONE full length gig-dvd of Judas Priest, from my favourite period of the band. But that will never happen, I guess...
I agree strongly.
"Dallas, 1983 one release and the next Budokan Tokyo 87"
Especially with these two tours.
Even if the original source tape isn't in great quality, modern technology makes it possible to "enhance" the quality of the tape. Look at what they did with Led Zeppelin on How the West Was Won-dvd. Of course, it takes effort, money and time to get it properly done, but I would imagine there are enough Maiden fans to make it worthwhile.
P.S. At least Maiden has several brilliant dvds released from the 80s. I wish there was at least ONE full length gig-dvd of Judas Priest, from my favourite period of the band. But that will never happen, I guess...
SixesAlltheway
Ancient Mariner
Yeah. I refuse to believe that Maiden/EMI/Martin Birch didn't record a bunch of stuff on reel to reel during the 80s. Where it is and the quality of it might be another question entirely but I'm sure that they have stuff in the vault. For example - Hammersmith 84? 5 tracks in absolute great quality on Live After Death + we have a few tracks on singles. Just give us the full show already.
And well, they recorded basically every show on the Fear of The Dark, A Real Live Tour....At least all of the European ones. I would be happy also with a full show from one of these shows, next to Donington!
Also, we know that a lot of Live Blaze stuff made it onto singles etc, Aftermath live, Afraid To Shoot Strangers Live etc etc Give us the complete recordings of those shows!
But even better of course would just be totally unheard live show, which I'm sure they also have somewhere!
And well, they recorded basically every show on the Fear of The Dark, A Real Live Tour....At least all of the European ones. I would be happy also with a full show from one of these shows, next to Donington!
Also, we know that a lot of Live Blaze stuff made it onto singles etc, Aftermath live, Afraid To Shoot Strangers Live etc etc Give us the complete recordings of those shows!
But even better of course would just be totally unheard live show, which I'm sure they also have somewhere!
harrymerkin
Invader
There would be Soundboard recordings of almost every show, how many of those are actually in multitrack formats and could be mixed...who knows?.
SixesAlltheway
Ancient Mariner
I think that's the problem really. I'm sure they could release them in good to great quality but if Steve doesn't like em, it ain't gonna happen 
Even if everyone else thinks it sounds fantastic!
That is a thing that annoys me about Maiden. Yay, we're back on topic!
Even if everyone else thinks it sounds fantastic!That is a thing that annoys me about Maiden. Yay, we're back on topic!
MrKnickerbocker
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It's interesting that, even though Maiden prints more merchandise than any other band (except for maybe KISS), no one views them as sellouts. Musically, they've never "sold out" in the traditional sense. From a merchandising standpoint, however, Maiden are the most commercial metal band ever.
I wouldn't say "no one". Over the years, I've heard many comments from people, read remarks on online forums and in music magazines that went in that direction. Mostly, it's people who were already around in the eighties and who got disillusioned at some point. Be it Somewhere in Time's perceived commercialism, Bruce leaving, Bruce returning, history tours, whatever. The charges are much less and much more quiet than with Kiss or Metallica, and I've only met one or two people who would actually deny you the "trve" label if you told them you're a Maiden fan. So you could say that Maiden have a lot more credit in the metal scene than some other bands. But there are people who view them as sellouts.
MrKnickerbocker
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Fixed.
RTC
Libera et impera!
Let me try to justify their reasoning from their perceived train of thought:
NOTB: Became a mainstream hit.
PoM: Didn't deliver as much as NOTB.
Powerslave: Maiden changed their musical style somewhat.
SiT: Synths
SSoaSS: Keyboards
NPFTD: Hard Rock direction.
FOTD: Same
X-Factor: Blaze
Virtual XI: Same
BNW: Not as good as Bruce's 80's work.
DoD: The production/album stinkers.
AMOLAD: The tour, and the new musical direction.
TFF: A lack of fast metal songs.
All of them are nonsense.
NOTB: Became a mainstream hit.
PoM: Didn't deliver as much as NOTB.
Powerslave: Maiden changed their musical style somewhat.
SiT: Synths
SSoaSS: Keyboards
NPFTD: Hard Rock direction.
FOTD: Same
X-Factor: Blaze
Virtual XI: Same
BNW: Not as good as Bruce's 80's work.
DoD: The production/album stinkers.
AMOLAD: The tour, and the new musical direction.
TFF: A lack of fast metal songs.
All of them are nonsense.
The Number of the Beast: They sold out because their sound got more melodic and they got a generic metal singer.
Piece of Mind: Full of radio hits, lost the edge.
Powerslave: Pop metal.
Somewhere in Time: They sold out because they started using synths.
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son: Pop metal.
No Prayer for the Dying: Weak songwriting, loss of Adrian, Bruce's new vocal style, a generic late-eighties hard rock album.
Fear of the Dark: Bruce sounds terrible, weak songwriting.
The X Factor: Blaze "worst thing that ever happened to metal" Bayley. Doesn't sound like Maiden at all.
Virtual XI: More Blaze, weak songwriting, Steve's drumming.
Brave New World: They sold out because Bruce returned and they're only trying to rehash their eighties glory.
Dance of Death: Weak songwriting, awful production, pop metal.
A Matter of Life and Death: Play Classics! Doesn't sound like Maiden at all.
The Final Frontier: Weak songwriting, they are just plagiarising themselves by now.
Piece of Mind: Full of radio hits, lost the edge.
Powerslave: Pop metal.
Somewhere in Time: They sold out because they started using synths.
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son: Pop metal.
No Prayer for the Dying: Weak songwriting, loss of Adrian, Bruce's new vocal style, a generic late-eighties hard rock album.
Fear of the Dark: Bruce sounds terrible, weak songwriting.
The X Factor: Blaze "worst thing that ever happened to metal" Bayley. Doesn't sound like Maiden at all.
Virtual XI: More Blaze, weak songwriting, Steve's drumming.
Brave New World: They sold out because Bruce returned and they're only trying to rehash their eighties glory.
Dance of Death: Weak songwriting, awful production, pop metal.
A Matter of Life and Death: Play Classics! Doesn't sound like Maiden at all.
The Final Frontier: Weak songwriting, they are just plagiarising themselves by now.
SixesAlltheway
Ancient Mariner
I understand what you say Perun about how Maiden might have been viewed through the years as sellouts musically but..... as Knickerbocker says, this is more about the merchandise standpoint..and in that case Maiden is definitely among the best (worst) of them...Just go look at the Maiden Facebook site, they made Iron Maiden football shirts for like 10 of the World Cup countries...That's sellout
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Oh, Steve's drumming.
I understand what you say Perun about how Maiden might have been viewed through the years as sellouts musically but..... as Knickerbocker says, this is more about the merchandise standpoint..and in that case Maiden is definitely among the best (worst) of them...Just go look at the Maiden Facebook site, they made Iron Maiden football shits for like 10 of the World Cup countries...That's sellout
Well, I think it's been going a bit too far in the last, let's say six years. I don't pay attention to the Maiden merchandise, though, so I don't feel qualified to comment on it. Although the recent picture discs were unnecessary.
It's the worst thing Maiden ever did.
Saapanael
Ancient Mariner
I don't follow the sport but honestly if those shirts weren't so expensive I'd totally buy one. I think they look awesome!I understand what you say Perun about how Maiden might have been viewed through the years as sellouts musically but..... as Knickerbocker says, this is more about the merchandise standpoint..and in that case Maiden is definitely among the best (worst) of them...Just go look at the Maiden Facebook site, they made Iron Maiden football shirts for like 10 of the World Cup countries...That's sellout
On the subject of live releases, I'm hoping that we'll start to see more "vault" releases after Maiden call it quits. I'm sure they'll want to milk that cow for all it's worth anyway.
SixesAlltheway
Ancient Mariner
Doesn't matter. Maiden using the World Cup to sell Maiden Football shirts. Total sellout, Everyone should be agreeing here.
Rotam
Night and day I scan horizon, sea and sky
In the back cover of the Iron Maiden: the videos, it's written "one of the first ever promotional videos made before video really became almost compulsory for a band" (about Women in Uniform) - i think when i bought that vhs long time ago i really start to understand what Maiden was about; they have Eddie, they have the logo, they have the pictures, they have the videos (even later i realized that even MTV played Maiden in their very first day), and so on.
so i think Maiden is a metal band but it's also a brand. They always had that spirit. I think the main difference from Maiden to others like Kiss is that, in my opinion, the music side in the balance was always as important as the merchandise. Kiss music in many times was nothing but merchandise. Now i think that is selling out: both music and merchandise are the same thing and if they are the same thing they are a product, not a form of art.
It's not that selling Maiden Football shirts is any different from selling Trooper beer or vhs cassettes of their videos. The logic is the same.
so i think Maiden is a metal band but it's also a brand. They always had that spirit. I think the main difference from Maiden to others like Kiss is that, in my opinion, the music side in the balance was always as important as the merchandise. Kiss music in many times was nothing but merchandise. Now i think that is selling out: both music and merchandise are the same thing and if they are the same thing they are a product, not a form of art.
It's not that selling Maiden Football shirts is any different from selling Trooper beer or vhs cassettes of their videos. The logic is the same.