The length of time between NEW ORIGINAL albums.
- Thread starter NavigatorsSon
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Like... 
nope can't think of anything. Are you sure theres something else?
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
Meme Only Account
Shut it with your cheek Tron! 
I'm just saying there is fandom, and there is obsession. I've no problem with either, but clearly the latter creates is own problems...
I'm just saying there is fandom, and there is obsession. I've no problem with either, but clearly the latter creates is own problems...
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
NavigatorsSon, I understand what you mean.
But it's up to them. If they want to do other stuff in the next four years before diving into the studio, it's their full right.
The thing is, the band won't exist that long anymore and that's why I hope they use their time efficiently.
But it's up to them. If they want to do other stuff in the next four years before diving into the studio, it's their full right.
The thing is, the band won't exist that long anymore and that's why I hope they use their time efficiently.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
Meme Only Account
But what would, in your opinion Forostar, be efficient use of their time? Clearly NavigatorsSon is of the opinion (& many would no doubt agree) that anything other than writing & releasing new material, would not be efficient use of their finite (as a band) time.
Tron
Trooper
precisely, basically im sure that nobody wants to wait x years... personally i check the site daily and every time nothing has changed i cry inside. It never easy waiting for news especially as ive recently leaned toward the obsessed end of the spectrum.
Id like some new material tomorrow but id be satisfied with anything for now to get my fix... its getting pretty bad
id imagine a new album in 2014/5 which isnt that long really and rumours suggest maiden england, somewhere back in time style to tide us over which to me sounds brilliantly nostalgic. We can winge as much as we want really but it is'nt going to help but to increase the depression
lets all find a hobby people... knitting anyone? lets make tapestries of eddi... 
famed battles
I'd agree with Cried that there are complications to relying on a maiden fix but i cant get into anything else nearly as much because hey... Maiden are in a league of their own. Thus i must subdue myself and await news.
Summary. This is a difficult time for us maidenauts and we are all going to cope with the stress in varying levels of hysteria
I remember someone coining this time of being in awe and loss from the tour gone as maiden hangover
My hopes are that they put out as much original work as possible but theyll probably release until they run out of creative flow anyway as it is steves will. In maiden we must trust
Id like some new material tomorrow but id be satisfied with anything for now to get my fix... its getting pretty bad
id imagine a new album in 2014/5 which isnt that long really and rumours suggest maiden england, somewhere back in time style to tide us over which to me sounds brilliantly nostalgic. We can winge as much as we want really but it is'nt going to help but to increase the depression
lets all find a hobby people... knitting anyone? lets make tapestries of eddi... famed battlesI'd agree with Cried that there are complications to relying on a maiden fix but i cant get into anything else nearly as much because hey... Maiden are in a league of their own. Thus i must subdue myself and await news.
Summary. This is a difficult time for us maidenauts and we are all going to cope with the stress in varying levels of hysteria
I remember someone coining this time of being in awe and loss from the tour gone as maiden hangover
My hopes are that they put out as much original work as possible but theyll probably release until they run out of creative flow anyway as it is steves will. In maiden we must trust
Poto
Ancient Mariner
NavigatorsSon
Prowler
Poto said:
Yes, their schedule used to be insane.
And they have used this fact to justify slowing down on the touring.
Yet, they are on tour every year.
So, my point is, if you are going to tour (even if it is short), then tour NEW stuff.
Take your time and record at a slow speed, and then take your time touring it.
If rushing was the problem, then just take it easy and cut the dates in half.
It's not like they are no longer touring, they are touring more than most bands!!!
So, while they are still young and have what it takes, get in the studio and record some awesome NEW original stuff.
What do you think?
Robbiedbee
Trooper
I think there are a lot of people in a lot of different countries who want to hear a lot of Maiden songs. There are usually many who are disappointed that Maiden don't gig enough in their part of the world. When I saw them in 06, there was a guy behind me who was angry because they didn't play Run to the Hills. If they didn't play my favourite song the first time I saw them, I guess I would be a little disappointed.
NavigatorsSon, sometimes I worry that they owe money to EMI for Ed Force 1, and have an obligation to tour as often as they do to justify it.
NavigatorsSon, sometimes I worry that they owe money to EMI for Ed Force 1, and have an obligation to tour as often as they do to justify it.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
It is always a tough call for a band that has been around as long as Maiden to decide what to play on tours. No matter what they do, someone will always be unhappy (some want oldies, some want new stuff, some want rare songs, some want hits, etc). Alternating between "new" tours and the catalog from tour to tour seems to be as good a solution as what any other band has done. I wish they would play certain songs they have never played or have not played in a long time, but compared to other bands of similar stature, I think Maiden does a solid job with their set lists.
My main complaint about the tour that just ended was that for the first leg, TFF was not out and the only song I got to hear was El Dorado, I would like to hear the rest of what they played from it (plus Avalon
)
My main complaint about the tour that just ended was that for the first leg, TFF was not out and the only song I got to hear was El Dorado, I would like to hear the rest of what they played from it (plus Avalon
)
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
Meme Only Account
Tron: I meant something other than music!
NavigatorsSon: I do basically agree with you, despite my harsh earlier remarks. They do (seem to) tour an awful lot. And I'm not sure they've slowed down that much; or not as much as one might expect of band with guys in their 50's. I also think they genuinely feel they need to reward fans who have supported them (i.e. bought their albums etc) by playing their country. The itinerary of recent tours has been truly worldwide i.e. not just the western world plus a few other glamour gigs here & there. Even with this relentless touring people (myself included) are still complaining that they don't get to see them i.e. as I mentioned --they didn't do any date in Scotland on any "retro" tour, unless I'm mistaken. SBiT: one UK date --you can't accuse them of only touring at home; they're never here! They're just in a no win situation --& the present pattern of touring/albums is simply what they've plumbed for. I just hope I get to see them a couple more times...
NavigatorsSon: I do basically agree with you, despite my harsh earlier remarks. They do (seem to) tour an awful lot. And I'm not sure they've slowed down that much; or not as much as one might expect of band with guys in their 50's. I also think they genuinely feel they need to reward fans who have supported them (i.e. bought their albums etc) by playing their country. The itinerary of recent tours has been truly worldwide i.e. not just the western world plus a few other glamour gigs here & there. Even with this relentless touring people (myself included) are still complaining that they don't get to see them i.e. as I mentioned --they didn't do any date in Scotland on any "retro" tour, unless I'm mistaken. SBiT: one UK date --you can't accuse them of only touring at home; they're never here! They're just in a no win situation --& the present pattern of touring/albums is simply what they've plumbed for. I just hope I get to see them a couple more times...
I'm quite ok with waiting a few more years for another studio set. For a band of their vintage, Iron Maiden are still quite prolific. I'd consider myself a true fan, I have all the studio & live discs, the Eddie's Archive set and the majority of the best of's. The only best of I don't have is The Essential Iron Maiden.
But compared to some other bands like Van Halen for instance, we as fans have little to worry about with Iron Maiden.
But compared to some other bands like Van Halen for instance, we as fans have little to worry about with Iron Maiden.
snake plissken
Ancient Mariner
Perun said:
Yeah, I agree. I think Maiden know their limits better than any fan. Last thing they'll wanna do is get in a rut and end up with No Prayer/FOTD standard albums in the space of two years. Not that those albums are bad, they're not but they're in no condition to rival the reunion era material. And the fact that Maiden are on the road a lot trying to play to as many fans as possible means it's physically impossible to record new material.
NavigatorsSon
Prowler
Great posts everyone. I love the deep thoughts and careful consideration. Makes this all so much more fun! 
"NavigatorsSon, sometimes I worry that they owe money to EMI for Ed Force 1, and have an obligation to tour as often as they do to justify it." ~ Robbiedbee
Guess I've taken 'Ed Force One' a bit for granted. However, Bruce did say that they saved a ton of money (and time) by using their own "magic carpet", so they are most likely in good shape as far as their funds go.
"No matter what they do, someone will always be unhappy (some want oldies, some want new stuff, some want rare songs, some want hits, etc). Alternating between "new" tours and the catalog from tour to tour seems to be as good a solution as what any other band has done." ~bearfan
Perhaps they could do both.
When I ask for 'more NEW material', I don't mean that they should do as they did on 'AMOLAD' and play the entire album, as cool as that was of them.
I enjoy the 'Brave New Tour' / 'Death On The Road' formula of 6 NEW songs leaving 10 or more slots open for the back-catalog.
Here is where my "belief in Maiden" comes in to play;
I believe that Maiden can play 'BACK IN THE VILLAGE', 'THE PRISONER', 'MONTSEGUR', 'TO TAME A LAND', etc. in those open slots, and they will not only NOT disapoint anyone, but will please, charm, and completely gratify the entire audience.
I would say that 'Back In The Village' may be a better pick than the mighty '2 Minutes To Midnight' in a way of giving the fans a I feel special feeling. Thinking, "Yes, Maiden totally know and understand that I love their entire catalog, not just the hits". And, "They pulled that one out as if it were just for me. Wow, I feel so special.".
Of course the audience going bonkers would let you know that you arn't alone in that feeling.
"I'd consider myself a true fan, I have all the studio & live discs, the Eddie's Archive set and the majority of the best of's. The only best of I don't have is The Essential Iron Maiden." ~Ian Sane
I'm just like you. However, I did buy 'The Essential Iron Maiden' and it was cool as ever, except that it has no NEW material, save for a couple of photos.
So, the rush didn't last. Which backs my point, best-ofs don't "hold me over", especially for 5 years!
"I think that I'd prefer one good album in five years than five bad albums in the same time span. ~ Perun"
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, do we have an unbeliever? Here is where I disagree.
This line-up, at this stage in their craftsmanship, is absolutely capable.
Like Ian Sane said above, "Iron Maiden are still quite prolific."/i]
However,
"I think Maiden know their limits better than any fan. Last thing they'll wanna do is get in a rut and end up with No Prayer/FOTD standard albums in the space of two years. Not that those albums are bad, they're not but they're in no condition to rival the reunion era material." ~ snake plissken
I agree snake has a point.
If they reach a point of boredom/fatigue, as I believe they did arrive to during the 'Fear Of The Dark' days, then, yes, it will tend to reflect in their performance both as writers and players./list]
"NavigatorsSon, sometimes I worry that they owe money to EMI for Ed Force 1, and have an obligation to tour as often as they do to justify it." ~ Robbiedbee
Guess I've taken 'Ed Force One' a bit for granted. However, Bruce did say that they saved a ton of money (and time) by using their own "magic carpet", so they are most likely in good shape as far as their funds go.
"No matter what they do, someone will always be unhappy (some want oldies, some want new stuff, some want rare songs, some want hits, etc). Alternating between "new" tours and the catalog from tour to tour seems to be as good a solution as what any other band has done." ~bearfan
Perhaps they could do both.
When I ask for 'more NEW material', I don't mean that they should do as they did on 'AMOLAD' and play the entire album, as cool as that was of them.
I enjoy the 'Brave New Tour' / 'Death On The Road' formula of 6 NEW songs leaving 10 or more slots open for the back-catalog.
Here is where my "belief in Maiden" comes in to play;
I believe that Maiden can play 'BACK IN THE VILLAGE', 'THE PRISONER', 'MONTSEGUR', 'TO TAME A LAND', etc. in those open slots, and they will not only NOT disapoint anyone, but will please, charm, and completely gratify the entire audience.
I would say that 'Back In The Village' may be a better pick than the mighty '2 Minutes To Midnight' in a way of giving the fans a I feel special feeling. Thinking, "Yes, Maiden totally know and understand that I love their entire catalog, not just the hits". And, "They pulled that one out as if it were just for me. Wow, I feel so special.".
Of course the audience going bonkers would let you know that you arn't alone in that feeling.
"I'd consider myself a true fan, I have all the studio & live discs, the Eddie's Archive set and the majority of the best of's. The only best of I don't have is The Essential Iron Maiden." ~Ian Sane
I'm just like you. However, I did buy 'The Essential Iron Maiden' and it was cool as ever, except that it has no NEW material, save for a couple of photos.
So, the rush didn't last. Which backs my point, best-ofs don't "hold me over", especially for 5 years!
"I think that I'd prefer one good album in five years than five bad albums in the same time span. ~ Perun"
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, do we have an unbeliever?
Here is where I disagree. This line-up, at this stage in their craftsmanship, is absolutely capable.
Like Ian Sane said above, "Iron Maiden are still quite prolific."/i]
However,
"I think Maiden know their limits better than any fan. Last thing they'll wanna do is get in a rut and end up with No Prayer/FOTD standard albums in the space of two years. Not that those albums are bad, they're not but they're in no condition to rival the reunion era material." ~ snake plissken
I agree snake has a point.
If they reach a point of boredom/fatigue, as I believe they did arrive to during the 'Fear Of The Dark' days, then, yes, it will tend to reflect in their performance both as writers and players./list]
I can see both sides of the coin on this one. Growing up with Maiden in the 80's I love the classic sound they put together for those albums. By the same token, their newer sound is just as impressive. I was always one for a good mix of all songs from all albums, both new and old, when they are on tour, but I wouldn't turn a ticket down even if they played only songs from their last two albums either.
As far as new albums coming out further and further apart, I would rather have them put out another great album in 5 years instead of two good albums in the same time frame. Quality over quantity.
On a personal note, I would like to see them put out a new album, with the current lineup, and do it in some of the classic sounds, arrangement wise. You know, new songs done in a classic fashion.
Anyway hope they are around, writing and touring, for many years to come.
As far as new albums coming out further and further apart, I would rather have them put out another great album in 5 years instead of two good albums in the same time frame. Quality over quantity.
On a personal note, I would like to see them put out a new album, with the current lineup, and do it in some of the classic sounds, arrangement wise. You know, new songs done in a classic fashion.
Anyway hope they are around, writing and touring, for many years to come.
Tron
Trooper
CriedWhenBrucieLeft said:Tron: I meant something other than music!
I proposed knitting
I want an album of whatever Adrian plays while hes on the toilet... (some people read magazines, H tests out new riffs and does so without ever touching a guitar)...
...bad albums? could they do one if they tried?
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
I don't really see what quality has to do with this discussion, in relation to time.
Piece of Mind, great album
Powerslave, great album
Somewhere in Time, great album
SSOASS, great album
TXF, great album
BNW, great album
AMOLAD, great album
All these releases took 1 or 2 years, 3 years max. You guys are not going to tell me that Maiden rather wait 5 years, only in order to try and reach that quality again?
Nah, time in between albums is spent because of other reasons.
Piece of Mind, great album
Powerslave, great album
Somewhere in Time, great album
SSOASS, great album
TXF, great album
BNW, great album
AMOLAD, great album
All these releases took 1 or 2 years, 3 years max. You guys are not going to tell me that Maiden rather wait 5 years, only in order to try and reach that quality again?
Nah, time in between albums is spent because of other reasons.
snake plissken
Ancient Mariner
Forostar said:
Maiden needed a year off after 7th tour of a 7th tour. That was over 20 years ago, fatigue is absolutely a factor these days.