The length of time between NEW ORIGINAL albums.
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bearfan
Ancient Mariner
One thing to consider is the quantity of music we are getting (and I never thought I would say this, but the quality is on par with the "golden years"), look at the run times of the 80s material compared to the 2000s, the total amount of music (in minutes) released is not all that different.
Robbiedbee
Trooper
Sure, it is hard waiting such a long time between albums, but personally, I'm happy for them to release stuff at whatever pace they want. They've done more than enough for us.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
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Jesus Christ you guys type a lot! 
All I can say, to NavigatorsSon, is stop fuckin' moaning about all these "fair weather fans"! Not everyone can travel the country (or world) following Maiden, and the last time I checked Maiden never bothered to play Scotland on any of their "retro/classic tours" --they only came up here on the album tours. I'd challenge some of your other remarks, but I'm thirsty & I need a cup of tea...
All I can say, to NavigatorsSon, is stop fuckin' moaning about all these "fair weather fans"! Not everyone can travel the country (or world) following Maiden, and the last time I checked Maiden never bothered to play Scotland on any of their "retro/classic tours" --they only came up here on the album tours. I'd challenge some of your other remarks, but I'm thirsty & I need a cup of tea...
NavigatorsSon
Prowler
Robbiedbee said:
Very well said.
I appreciate your positivity.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
Meme Only Account
NavigatorsSon said:
Have you read anything on this forum? If you had, you might not have asked such a pointless question. The answer you're looking for is no.
Who is this "everyone" you're referring to?
No.
Slight exaggeration. It was only their fifth album, it couldn't have been that much of a surprise.
The most common comment I hear on this forum is " I don't care what they play...".
Why would they keep writing & playing it if they didn't.
Maybe they should write an album just for you.
You should be thankful they do these tours where you live; or thankful you are mobile (physically & economically) enough to travel to see them.
Talk about dummy spitting. I resent your veiled accusation(s).
And? Surely being a Maiden fan is all about seeing them live!?
Re-read what you've typed. Nobody is forcing you to buy magazines & T-shirts. Again, your fair-weather remark is unfair, unwelcome, & unhelpful.
NavigatorsSon
Prowler
CriedWhenBrucieLeft said:Jesus Christ you guys type a lot!
All I can say, to NavigatorsSon, is stop fuckin' moaning about all these "fair weather fans"! Not everyone can travel the country (or world) following Maiden, and the last time I checked Maiden never bothered to play Scotland on any of their "retro/classic tours" --they only came up here on the album tours. I'd challenge some of your other remarks, but I'm thirsty & I need a cup of tea...
If the "fair-weathers" are the reason that we have to wait...
But, seems that you skipped all of the long posts. I've already been set-straight by all of those excellent posts.
I encourage you to enjoy the posts above. They are worth the read.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
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I did, but just liked the thought of cutting up your first rant --with my own rant!
Just be a bit more sparing with your fair-weather comments --it's a division you have invented. There's no them & us.
Just be a bit more sparing with your fair-weather comments --it's a division you have invented. There's no them & us.
Whooten
Ancient Mariner
I think the question of whether Maiden truly believe in their new stuff is quite valid. They are certainly guilty of segregating it. On the AMOLAD tour and the first leg of TFF they played 5 80s songs at the end, the rest new. Album tours do 6 new songs and mostly "classics". I for one would like to see a non-album, or greatest hits tour that was a true sampling of all eras. It shouldn't have to be an either or choice. 4 songs from the 80s, 4 songs from the 90s, 4 songs from the 00s, and 4 wildcards. The wildcards could change from show to show. The true sign that Maiden truly believe in their stuff is when Wicker Man, Brave New World or El Dorado turn up as encores. I am afraid Hallowed is here to stay, as Nicko has stated he won't play a gig that doesn't include it.
snake plissken
Ancient Mariner
Forostar said:+
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Dude. You just compared to the Maiden of the 80s. It isn't that pointless after all is it?
Actually it is pointless. I post a lot of pointless stuff
Tron
Trooper
These particular songs have featured heavily since their release in the main set, wether or not they are featured in the encore surely doesnt matter? They dont strike me as encore songs anyway but a see where your coming from. Hallowed, NotB etc are encore tracks lately because of how well they are recieved and its a good finish, running free can be dragged out for some bruce banter and t just makes for a better end imo.Whooten said:
As for the rest of the topic i do think labelling fair-weather fans is dumb and like the kind of militant maiden talk youd hear on certain other forums that we dare not speak... generally were more accepting
i personaly love the idea of best of tours even as a massive fan for the simple reason that i was born to late and thats something the original argument doesnt take into account. Ive seen every show i could have and im just making the most of the best band in the world while i can. Hopefully Navigatorsson, this forum will help you change your ideas and you are by no means the only person who likes modern maiden. i personally prefer the recent material by far and im starting to appreciate some earlier material i never got into. Check out my countdown for my extremist 2000s opinions
http://forum.maidenfans.com/index.php?topic=21871.0. Also im the most impatient person between tours ever and so i dont see how you could become angry about timescales like that when you know your gunna get other tours and releases between albums. Just enjoy the ride and enjoy the maiden as far as im concerned and dont get up on a high horse that your a better fan, with a band like maiden there will always be elitists and they dont get very far here.We all have opinions and here we are more than willing to explain without causing offense
On another note weve found someone who could have a really interesting conversation with PlayClassics, id pay to see that battle.
snake plissken
Ancient Mariner
Whooten said:
And if they went down this route, you'd have a bunch of other people saying they should do something else. Basically, Maiden are gonna do what Maiden wanna do and they're doing a great job IMO. To your first point, I reckon if The Wicker Man sounded the start of an encore it'd be received really well and feel fresh and fun. But this is a non issue for me. The vast majority of bands delve deep into their back catalogue for their encore. I actually cannot think of one really big rock/metal band who play new songs in an encore.
Crimson Idol
Caveman
Poto said:
I have no idea what the hell that's meant to mean, but it does bring something else to mind.
When you're young, summers seem to last forever etc... the period of time relative to your life is huge. A single year is a massive chunk of your life.. as you get older it all starts to get smaller and smaller in relation, so time feels like its passing quicker (hence why everyone reaches new year and goes "can't believe its been a year already").
That's very odd in the respect of touring though as it would feel like they were on the road for LONGER in relative terms.
NavigatorsSon
Prowler
Tron said:These particular songs have featured heavily since their release in the main set, wether or not they are featured in the encore surely doesnt matter? They dont strike me as encore songs anyway but a see where your coming from. Hallowed, NotB etc are encore tracks lately because of how well they are recieved and its a good finish, running free can be dragged out for some bruce banter and t just makes for a better end imo.
As for the rest of the topic i do think labelling fair-weather fans is dumb and like the kind of militant maiden talk youd hear on certain other forums that we dare not speak... generally were more accepting
Hopefully Navigatorsson, this forum will help you change your ideas and you are by no means the only person who likes modern maiden. i personally prefer the recent material by far and im starting to appreciate some earlier material i never got into. Check out my countdown for my extremist 2000s opinions
We all have opinions and here we are more than willing to explain without causing offense
On another note weve found someone who could have a really interesting conversation with PlayClassics, id pay to see that battle.
I don't mean to offend anyone. And, you are correct, there have been lots of posts in this thread in which I have been shown some really cool ideas and thoughts about the whole issue.
I don't communicate very well, so I may have come off as harsh in the thread starter.
My position is as an older fan. I've already burned out every album, and experienced every tour, even if only by way of dvd / live cd. So, I'm ready for all of the NEW stuff I can get my hands on.
There will be plenty of time for memory-lane and re-visits to their library/catalog after they call it a day.
My main point is, while they are still alive and active, they should favor doing new stuff and let us use the live recordings to experience the former stuff.
And, I think that 1 year on NEW stuff and 4 years on classic stuff is out-of-balance.
I mean, I see Maiden on a magazine cover and dart over to it and open it up to find yet another article on 'Somewhere Back In Time'.
We did a year of 'Live After Death' with the whole dvd and 'History part 2'.
Another year on the 'Somewhere Back In Time' actual live-in-person shows. (Which were amazingly awesome, with a stunning set list btw. It really was completely awesome and very satisfying)
Then, we did another 2 years of celebrating that tour with articles / interviews / photos (official fan club mags) and the release and marketing of 'Flight 666'. (which I had to buy both the dvd for the home and the cd for the car, thank you very much)
I don't mean to disrespect new fans who never saw those original shows as I and the older fans have been blessed to experience.
I'm glad that new fans are getting the very nice treat of witnessing those shows in-the-flesh.
I only wish that it didn't take 4 years to do that for them (the new fans) and then we, the older fans get only one year for the new stuff.
Btw, I had 'A Matter Of Life And Death' slammed down my throat because Maiden played in my town 1 month after it's release! And that is a very loaded album to get familiar with in such a short time. Kinda made the wait even longer in my case.
Can you understand what I'm trying to say?
Crimson Idol
Caveman
Poto said:
Ah, no I didn't. That would explain it, I'm assuming its a quote.
snake plissken
Ancient Mariner
Crimson Idol said:
The tours were longer...
Crimson Idol
Caveman
snake plissken said:
Tours were longer yes, but his comment was "Years were longer hence how they toured that much AND made albums". Saying the tours were longer doesn't explain how a year (a fixed length of time) can be longer
So, I assumed it was something the band said in the documentary.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
Meme Only Account
NavigatorsSon said:
I think you've explained yourself a little better this time. But, do you not reckon everyone is desperate/eager for new material, and not just you? If you are seriously asking "am I the only one who thinks this [that it's too long to wait]?" --then the answer is no; you are not the only one who wishes for new material to appear a little quicker.
However, I can't help but think this is hardly a new point: Maiden were hardly bundling out albums in the 90's either! From the "reunion" Maiden have given you four studio albums in just under 10 and a half years. Prior to that you had four studio albums in the previous 10 and a half years. Sure, viewing this over 30 years, the albums having been coming out slower --but come on, Maiden have been pretty much churning out albums three yearly since NPftD. Yes, the most recent gap was four, but who's to say is going to stretch to five? Oh yeh: you.
Really it all comes across as pretty impatient and disrespectful; to Maiden and to most other fans. Yes, another four years from now is long to wait --but, here's an idea, why don't you just wait, or perhaps fill your time with something unrelated to Iron Maiden. I know it's difficult...